Talk:Sandwich

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Where do you have the German pronunciation [zɛndvɪtʃ] from? This is certainly not the standard pronunciation! It may occur among some less-educated speakers of certain regions, but otherwise the unvoiced [s] is clearly dominating.
 * Duden's Aussprachewörterbuch gives only the form with [z-], so it's certainly standard. It may not be dominant, though, as younger Germans with relatively good English may well use [s-], as of course will people from the southern part of the German Sprachraum, since they always have initial [s-] instead of [z-]. —Angr 19:35, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Ok, I checked that and shockingly it's true. But I can tell you, I'm from a [z]-pronouncing region and still have never heard [zɛntvɪtʃ] in my life. And I've certainly heard it said by older and/or not-good-English-speaking people. I still insist that this pronunciation is non-standard, but I have no real proof, so nervermind.
 * I also do agree that a German [v] is commonly used. People who want to stress their good English may use [w] instead of [v]. But the intial [s] is just common among everybody. But, as I said, nevermind :)
 * I live in a [z]-pronouncing area too, but to be honest the only pronunciation I've ever heard for it is [bəˈleːktə ˈbʁøːtçən]. —Angr 22:17, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
 * We call it [dʊbl].