Talk:Schengen visa

RFD discussion: March–April 2016
A visa for the Schengen area. Not even Wikipedia has an article on it so it really can't be that idiomatic. -- Liliana • 19:46, 18 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. If such a thing exists apart from national visas, it is purely encyclopedic. bd2412 T 14:31, 19 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep. If it were a visa to visit Schengen itself, it would be sum-of-parts.  According to its definition, it refers to visas valid throughout a large multinational area as defined by the "Schengen Agreement".  Its meaning is not apparent from the sum of its parts.  So if the phrase is used, even occasionally, with the meaning given, it should have an entry.  The fact that Wikipedia doesn't have an entry for it doesn't make it unidiomatic; the possibility that an article could be written about it doesn't justify excluding it from Wiktionary.  P Aculeius (talk) 16:13, 19 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom, it's a visa to the Schengen area. - -sche (discuss) 18:51, 19 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete. —Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 20:53, 19 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment: if it were "Schengen Area visa", then it would be self-explanatory. But if it's "Schengen visa" then it's not, because it isn't a visa to visit Schengen.  Schengen and the Schengen Area aren't the same thing (note that they have separate entries).  This makes the phrase "Schengen visa" mean something other than what most phrases involving "place + visa" mean.  That's why we should keep it.  P Aculeius (talk) 00:04, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Do you think we should also have entries for "Schengen polic(y|ies)" and every other phrase where Schengen refers, as here, to the Schengen agreement area rather than the town? I don't. - -sche (discuss) 00:27, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
 * And this is why we have a definition at Schengen to cover this. You might think that, but you can look up Schengen and then see for yourself. It's actually the reason we include definitions of words. Renard Migrant (talk) 15:48, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep. It's not a "visa + Schengen area" as the nominator states, and that is not the definition.  (Even the term Schengen area is idiomatic).  It's not a visa to visit Schengen.  It's not a visa issued by the town of Schengen.  It's a visa issued by any of the member states that allows travel to all the others.  There's a significant difference and prior knowledge required.--Dmol (talk) 05:20, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
 * , Schengen itself (without "area") refers also to the whole area; notice definition 3 of Schengen. Do you think we should also have Schengen travel area/regime, Schengen policy, Schengen passport (see e.g. ) and every other collocation using this sense of "Schengen"? - -sche (discuss) 19:42, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
 * RFD failed. —Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 18:10, 29 April 2016 (UTC)