Talk:Seferberlik

RFV discussion: June–August 2020
Tagged but not listed. Old Man Consequences (talk) 16:41, 1 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Google Scholar with restriction to English results finds enough hits to show use as an English word if obscure humanities journals are durable. Needs more thought.  (I'm more accustomed to citing single word name scientific journals about which I have no doubts.)  I'll see what I can find through a university library account.  Seems not to be capitalized consistently and it might not be a proper noun.  Vox Sciurorum (talk) 22:54, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
 * For now, added one citation that may count as a mention rather than a use but gives a different (broader) definition. Vox Sciurorum (talk) 23:06, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
 * So far it's looking like this is a typical use/mention: "We do not see in either collection any indications of how terrible things were for soldiers or civilians, nor do we see the grave social effects of the forced Ottoman conscription in the region that was known as seferberlik." And this: "scores of men who had been recruited in the Ottoman military’s seferberlik campaign had been killed." The word is always in italics or quotation marks.  If those count as English language uses, I think we're set.   But it feels more like, which is in Wiktionary only as a German word.  Vox Sciurorum (talk) 00:10, 4 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Most of the uses make clear this is (a transliteration of) an Ottoman Turkish word. It is quite common in scholarly historical articles to use a non-English term to refer to a historically defined topic, like here dotis dictio for a Roman legal term, or here pankarpia (πανκαρπία) for an Ancient Greek concept. This too looks more like an instance of code-switching. --Lambiam 10:01, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm OK with closing this failed. I think a reader should be able to look up seferberlik on seeing it in a paper, but the Turkish definition of  will serve.  If we were talking about the Arabaic borrowing I'd want a romanization entry (safar barlik).  I have scattered the citations I added to other definitions where they seemed useful.  Maybe they should go on a citations page too.  Vox Sciurorum (talk) 19:35, 23 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Most of the citations look like mentions of the (Ottoman) Turkish word; one outright says it's a mention of the Turkish word. (If the entry is deleted, a copy of all the citations is in this revision of the sandbox.) - -sche (discuss) 03:16, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

RFV-failed Kiwima (talk) 22:25, 11 August 2020 (UTC)