Talk:Tocio

RFV discussion: May–August 2017
Latin for Tokyo. Tagged but apparently not listed. Does not seem to be attested. - -sche (discuss) 02:44, 1 May 2017 (UTC) The given Latin example could contain an indeclinable Tokio, not Tokio with genitive Tokionis etc. Internet NL seems to have Tokio, -onis but isn't durably archived. In printed books at google one can find "in Tokio" in NL as in "Dedicavi hanc speciem domino Prof. geologiae Harada in Tokio." = "I have dedicated this species to mister Harada Professor of geology in Tokio" (biological context). Furthermore, there is the gender which would need attestation although feminine gender seems fitting (maybe cp. with WT:RFV). Alternatively it could be without mentioning a gender which is the better way if none is attested. But maybe one then has to use instead of those specialised Latin entry templates. -84.161.7.226 22:51, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment - How does an ancient language, no longer in daily use, have a word for a city that was unknown to the Romans. Do we make it up as we go along. Is there any policy or precedent.--Dmol (talk) 03:25, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Some people (especially the Catholic Church) have kept writing in Latin, so some modern places have attestable Latin names, e.g. . But this one does not seem to be attested. I suggest it be moved to, per , which finds many hits like:
 * 1891, La Civiltà cattolica, issues 993-996, page 730:
 * ... et constituimus, atque illustrem urbem Tokio quae Imperii caput et ...
 * - -sche (discuss) 03:34, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
 * https://www.gutenberg.org/files/17713/17713-h/17713-h.htm is a volume published in Latin in Japan after the founding of Edo.--Prosfilaes (talk) 03:39, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
 * That gutenberg text was printed in Roma and doesn't seem to have Tocio or Tokio (or inflected forms with stem Tocion- or Tokion-) in it. It also doesn't seem to have Jedo (or Jeddo, Iedo, Ieddo, Yedo, Yeddo) in it.

Dmol and -sche -- every place which has a Roman Catholic diocese has to have an official Latin name of the diocese as used by the church authorities. These are always listed in the Italian Wikipedia articles on the dioceses, and often in the corresponding English Wikipedia articles. Sometimes these show the placename in the genitive case (Archidioecesis Angelorum for Los Angeles), while in other cases a generic adjective in -ensis is used. The official Catholic church name of the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Tokyo is Archidioecesis Tokiensis... -- AnonMoos (talk) 00:33, 3 May 2017 (UTC) BTW: Based on the Acta Apostolica Sedis, the declension template in archidioecesis could be wrong. Roman Catholics have accusative "Archidioecesim" and ablative "archidioecesi" which make more sense. dioecesis gives accusative -im and ablative -i too, but also might have many made-up or very uncommon forms. -84.161.49.251 12:55, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Are there durably archived Latin sources for these Roman Catholic names? Well, "Archidioecesis Tokiensis" seems to appear in such a source (Acta Apostolicae Sedis), so never mind. However, the adjective Tokiensis does not attest the name Tokio. In an Acta Apostolicae Sedis one can find "quarum altera Tokio urbem atque civiles praefecturas de Tokio ...", but it has italics with it and thus doesn't appear like a nomral usage.


 * RFV-failed, "moved" to Tokio, but with the inflected forms omitted. - -sche (discuss) 22:02, 27 August 2017 (UTC)