Talk:Usonian

I may have gone overboard a bit in the examples. However, since this word is not found in many dictionaries, I thought it important to cover the breadth of usage as much as possible. Kwamikagami 23:30, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

comparable
I think our most Usonian example clearly shows that the word is comparable. There are few tokens, because the word is rare outside architectural uses, where the context of comparison is not common. Kwamikagami 22:53, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Generally, we want to allow for comparable forms on the inflection line only if those forms are common. If you can demonstrate a pattern of comparability with mutiple quotes (put on the Citations page), then that would support your viewpoint solidly. A single instance is not always indicative of a pattern.  If a pattern cannot be deomnstarted, then a comment as ====Usage notes==== under the Adjective section would be the place to note that a comparable form exists, but is not particularly common. --EncycloPetey 23:00, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Etymology
Can this be boiled down to ""? I have suspicions that the "usonian song" from early 1800s is a mistake of "Ausonian song" (As Italy is the place of residence of pope Gregory). That Law was the first use in 1903 seems possible, but given the suggestion by Sergeant it would seem that there was a reasonably wide-spread use of the term at that point. Maybe we want to include the year. Do we include Esperanto cognates? Conrad.Irwin 23:45, 12 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I used your suffix template.


 * What do you mean by "include the year"? You mean include it with the citations?


 * I removed the Eo cognate, since we have it under translations.


 * 'Ausonian' looks like a good deduction. Is that something we can include? Kwamikagami 06:47, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

making stuff up
Um, why are we making up passages when we have real ones available? They read like a kid's homework assignment, and don't adequately capture the word. Kwamikagami 10:39, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

pronunciation
I received this email from the OED:


 * "we do already have entries for both Usonian and Usonan in the 'Shorter Oxford English Dictionary', and have draft entries in preparation for these words for the full OED."

I've heard "Usonian" on US television (PBS), and it was given the pronunciation I gave it here. However, it might be a good idea to verify what the OED has; I don't have access to the SOED. Kwamikagami 22:04, 14 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Confirmed with the Concise OED. Kwamikagami 19:15, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia article on "Usonia"
I just now posted the following on the talk page of the Wikipedia article on Usonia.


 * I'm sorry to see that there has been so little discussion on the Usonia article, mostly in 2005 with only a few sporadic comments since, the last in 2012. With this, I'm wondering if anyone is even still following it, and I would appreciate it if anyone who is would chime in here and let his/her presence be known. In any event, as one who favors the use of "Usonia(n)" rather than "America(n)", I was a bit dismayed to see "Usonia" take me to an article on architecture rather than on the term itself as an attractive alternative to the arrogant and illogical "America". The first sentence of this article is wrong, which makes all of it in a way wrong whether a disambiguation page exists or not. This first sentence is belied by the article itself, which quotes Wright as clearly indicating what he actually meant by the term. ("But why this term 'America' has become representative as the name of these United States at home and abroad is past recall. Samuel Butler fitted us with a good name. He called us Usonians, and our Nation of combined States, Usonia.") I'm not sure exactly what I want or plan to do about this, though I suppose it will probably entail, aside from modifying the current article, preparing an additional one on "Usonia(n)" as a proposed substitute for "America(n)" and a disambiguation page. Perhaps there could be four articles, corresponding to the four definitions at https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Usonian. Two of these already exists, with this one and Usonia Historic District. In any event, I'll begin by brushing up what the article has to say about Esperanto, in which the word is not "Usonia" but "Usono". Thanks in advance for any collaboration or advice.

I'm glad to see that though there hasn't been much discussion about "Usonia" here either, there has at least been a significant amount of revision of the Wiktionary entry. I would post an edit of it to get the attention of people who might not see this on the talk page here, but haven't yet found anything in the entry that merits correction. Maybe I'll post a dummy edit, then. Thanks. –Roy McCoy (talk) 23:26, 2 May 2019 (UTC)