Talk:Woltzdorf

RFV discussion: October 2012
Does anyone know if this place exists? I mean, outside the internet. German and English Wikipedia don't have this word in their texts. This Austrian index doesn't know it: http://www.orte-in-oesterreich.de/orte-suchen.html, nor do the two German telephone catalogs I searched (http://www.klicktel.de/telefonbuch and http://www.dastelefonbuch.de/). According to me, it is a nonsense entry, created by nonsense information in an old version of Woltz: https://en.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?title=Woltz&oldid=1581479 (see "Name" section). --MaEr (talk) 15:52, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
 * And how can a place name be "rare".--Dmol (talk) 16:27, 20 October 2012 (UTC)


 * I can find a placename Wotzdorf and the surnames Wolzdorf and Wolsdorff, but not this. —Angr 16:28, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

I found it in one gazetteer: But Ritters Geographisch-statistisches Lexikon is what helped me crack the case: it has what looks like the same name, Woltzdorf, as an Austrian town: but it has the town sorted alphabetically between various Woi- and Woj- placenames, suggesting that what appears to be an l is in fact an i. It looks someone misread Woitzdorf, and the misreading subsequently proliferated into at least that one other gazetteer. - -sche (discuss) 16:45, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 1823, A geographical dictionary or universal gazetteer, ancient and modern, volume 2, edition 2, page 902:
 * Woltin, t. Pomerania; 12 SW. Stargard.
 * Woltzdorf, t. Austria; 2 NNW. Weikerstorf.
 * Wolvergehen, t. Neth., in South Brabant; 8 N. Brussels. Pop 1,304.


 * About Woltzdorf in Austria... the frontiers of Austria have changed a bit since 1823. If this place still exists it might be in Czechia, Poland, Italy or Ucraina now, with a completely different name. If it is in modern Austria, its orthography might have changed.
 * And the original base information was: This name [Woltz, my insertion] is normally or oftenly found with an extra -en at the end or -dorff to make Woltzen, making it plural for young leaders, and -dorff making it mean young leader town. This name is one of the original names of the Germanic peoples. (see Woltz)
 * It's just complete nonsense.
 * --MaEr (talk) 17:09, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Per Woitzdorf, there were two places by that name, and they're both now in the Czech Republic. —Angr 17:30, 20 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Indeed: two Ortsteile (quarters) of their respective municipality. According to de:WP, one of the two quarters (quarter Vojtíškov) has 130 inhabitants; the second quarter (quarter Vojtovice in Vlčice u Javorníka municipality) isn't listed but its municipality has 425 inhabitants. Do we really need this entry? Insignificant place in Czechia, with a German name, mis-spelled title... --MaEr (talk) 18:30, 20 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes, Woitzdorf, with the correct spelling, is a valid entry if attestable (which I presume it is). We have other small villages, like Hitlersee. -- Liliana • 19:39, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

Well, I think we can close the case. I moved "young leader town" Woltzdorf to Woitzdorf (which accidentally exists). --MaEr (talk) 09:38, 21 October 2012 (UTC)