Talk:a salve

RFD discussion: May–June 2021
Italian SOP. Imetsia (talk) 16:51, 21 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Can this be used in other combinations than cartuccia a salve or colpo a salve? I am not sure I’d have fully grasped the sense from combining the ingredients. An English salvo can be fired with live ammunition; does the Italian sense of salva imply blank ammunition is used? --Lambiam 11:14, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, other combinations exist: "sparare a salve" (to fire blanks), "caricato a salve" ([of a gun] not loaded), "pistola a salve" (unloaded gun) , "proiettili a salve" (blanks) , etc. And yes, "salva" does imply blank ammunition is used. For example, the Zingarelli defines "salva" as "... using cartridges and special charges, without bullets..." while the Devoto-Oli explains that the gun "a salve" must be "... loaded only with powder ..." Imetsia (talk) 14:57, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
 * In that case I think the definition in our entry is missing a sense needs to be adjusted.  --Lambiam 15:46, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅. Is the definition good enough now? I'll also state that the Italian preposition is rather versatile and often translates in expressions like this as "with" or "using." There are probably countless similar examples, but I'll note expressions like, , , and . So the meaning here is entirely predictable. Imetsia (talk) 16:43, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
 * OK, now it is clearly SOP. I notice that Treccani also has a separate entry for salve in this sense, said to be derived from such expressions as sparare a salve. Perhaps also worthy of a separate sense for salve here. --Lambiam 12:37, 25 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete, now seen to be SOP. --Lambiam 12:39, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
 * RFD-deleted. Imetsia (talk) 20:55, 20 June 2021 (UTC)