Talk:ad perpetuum

RFV discussion: May 2017–February 2021
Latin phrases purportedly meaning “everlasting” or “permanent”. I’m most sceptical, however, about the usage note included under, viz.: I didn’t see anything about that in the usual lexicographic places (see perpetuus). The phrases and  are well attested (elsewhere), but nowhere do I see mentioned a phrase with  and any form of. — I.S.M.E.T.A. 07:49, 3 May 2017 (UTC) www.zeno.org/Musik/M/Key%C3%9Fler,+Johann+Georg/Neueste+Reisen+durch+Deutschland,+B%C3%B6hmen,+Ungarn,+die+Schweiz,+Italien+und+Lothringen/Erste+Abtheilung/51.+Schreiben?hl=ad+perpetuum cites a text with "ad perpetuum" in it. Maybe it is a British Medieval or New Latin form of "in perpetuum"? -84.161.13.81 19:52, 16 May 2017 (UTC)
 * The words ad perpetuum or ad perpetuam rei memoriam were normally placed at the end of the salutation on Roman documents to convey the meaning that the documents were trustworthy and permanent.
 * www.zeno.org/Zeno/0/Suche?q=%22ad+perpetuam%22&k=Bibliothek has many mentionings of "ad perpetuam rei memoriam" or "ad perpetuam memoriam". www.zeno.org/Pierer-1857/A/Bulle+%5B1%5D could imply that "ad perpetuam rei memoriam" appears in Medieval documents. As the pope lives in Rome and as it is "Roman Catholic Church" the quoted "Roman documents" could be correct, but vague or misleading. commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Magni_aestimamus.jpg (said to be a bull from 2011 by wikipedia) has "Benedictus Episcopus Servus Servorum Dei ad perpetuam rei memoriam." and commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Detail_of_Quo_Primum_tempore.JPG (said to be a bull) has "Pius Episcopus Servus Servorum Dei ad perpetuam rei memoriam" at the top.
 * The bracketing is ad [perpetuum [virtutis exemplar]] and ad [perpetuam memoriam], in which is an adjective. Having these as entries is like having an entry to the everlasting because of uses as in “to the everlasting memory”.  --Lambiam 11:08, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
 * RFV-deleted &mdash; surjection &lang;??&rang; 10:35, 8 February 2021 (UTC)