Talk:affaire de cœur

RFV
Used in Inglesh? (yeah sic) —  [Ric Laurent] — 12:04, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * In Inglesh, probably not, but in English, yes. Have you tried Google Books? Lmaltier 20:51, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't care enough to verify it myself. That's why I put it at "requests for verification". —  [Ric Laurent] — 16:43, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Plural looks dubious though. Mglovesfun (talk) 22:39, 22 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Quick checks. Singular:
 * Plural:
 * The Scholar searches seem to be useless, as they're all examples of use in French contexts, but the Books hits give more usages in running English text. That said, most of the singular examples are italicized, and all of the fewer hits for the plural are -- that suggests code switching to me, but perhaps others might view these as valid use as English?  The term is used without explanation, so the authors expected their readers to understand the term at the bare minimum.  Eiríkr Útlendi │ Tala við mig 17:34, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Code switching is something quite different, not relevant here. Foreign words are often used in languages (and are often italicized, but they are used in the language nonetheless), and should be included. Lmaltier 19:58, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
 * From the Code-switching page:
 * In linguistics, code-switching is the concurrent use of more than one language, or language variety, in conversation. Multilinguals—people who speak more than one language—sometimes use elements of multiple languages in conversing with each other. Thus, code-switching is the use of more than one linguistic variety in a manner consistent with the syntax and phonology of each variety.
 * That sounds quite relevant and not different at all from the question of whether affaires de cœur constitutes an English term originally from French, or a French term used as French but in an English context. The first is a borrowing, the second is code switching.
 * Is there some other meaning for the term code switching that you intend? -- Eiríkr Útlendi │ Tala við mig 20:41, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
 * No, this is the meaning. And this is why, obviously, it's not code-switching. Code-switching is when people commonly speaking several languages change the language they use during conversation with other people sharing the same languages, it's not the use of words borrowed from other languages (except, maybe, when they use this word because they don't know the word in the language they are speaking). Lmaltier 18:02, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
 * In linguistics, code-switching is the concurrent use of more than one language, or language variety, in conversation. Multilinguals—people who speak more than one language—sometimes use elements of multiple languages in conversing with each other. Thus, code-switching is the use of more than one linguistic variety in a manner consistent with the syntax and phonology of each variety.
 * That sounds quite relevant and not different at all from the question of whether affaires de cœur constitutes an English term originally from French, or a French term used as French but in an English context. The first is a borrowing, the second is code switching.
 * Is there some other meaning for the term code switching that you intend? -- Eiríkr Útlendi │ Tala við mig 20:41, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
 * No, this is the meaning. And this is why, obviously, it's not code-switching. Code-switching is when people commonly speaking several languages change the language they use during conversation with other people sharing the same languages, it's not the use of words borrowed from other languages (except, maybe, when they use this word because they don't know the word in the language they are speaking). Lmaltier 18:02, 24 November 2011 (UTC)


 * We have an English entry for schadenfreude, though I agree that this is not quite the same because there isn't a good English translation (at least not as a single word).   D b f  i  r  s   13:49, 25 November 2011 (UTC)


 * What about ? — Raifʻhār Doremítzwr ~ (U · T · C) ~ 15:38, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

¶ I adjected five citations for it, but since I added them then it would be a good idea to speedy‐delete them since they have been stained with my vile inﬂuence. --Pilcrow 00:24, 27 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Is the first cite (now removed) really "affaire do cœur" or is that just a typo?  The argument is not with you, Pilcrow, but we are not sure whether the cites are deliberately using a French expression as "code switching" (it was once common to speak French in polite society), or whether the phrase has become an English alternative to "affair of the heart".  My own opinion is that the phrase has now entered the English language.    D b f  i  r  s   08:24, 27 November 2011 (UTC)


 * RFV-failed for now. If two more non-italicised citations can be found, re-open discussion. - -sche (discuss) 20:37, 17 June 2012 (UTC)