Talk:all'attacco

RFD discussion: June 2020–August 2023
SOP for Italian "to the attack." If it's yelled out, or if it has an exclamation point at the end, it could become a command to "attack!" But this itself is not a lexical feature, so the term shouldn't be included as an entry. Imetsia (talk) 16:34, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete, SOP. Ultimateria (talk) 04:14, 26 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Shouldn’t we have phrasebook entries for war commandos like this? Fay Freak (talk) 20:33, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Abstain : I agree with Fay Freak. PUC – 11:39, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep per Catonif and me below. PUC – 14:23, 13 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Keep - Dentonius (my politics | talk) 08:37, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Struck per our previous discussion. Imetsia (talk) 15:57, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete This, that and the other (talk) 10:53, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep I agree that as an adverb it's not a lexical feature by itself. (Andarono all'attacco is just "They went to the attack"), but I would keep is as an interjection. It's actually a feature of "a [article] [something]", used generally as an interjection to alert people of something. It's also found in all'arrembaggio yelled by pirates before attacking a ship, al ladro yelled by someone who's getting robbed, al lupo yelled by the boy who cried wolf. All of these could just be interpreted as a request to go "to the ~", and that's much likely the etymology, but it's not perceived anymore like this, as showed by other cases like al fuoco (lit. to the fire) yelled to alert people of a fire, which actually implies the opposite meaning, to run away. Catonif (talk) 11:40, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
 * From these many examples, it sounds like that this is a distinct sense of :
 * ...in which case this is SOP, no? This, that and the other (talk) 03:26, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Theoretically yes, though this sense of a as far as I can tell is pretty much limited to these five collocations. Pragmatically, I'd rather have them as separate entries, along with the sense. Catonif (talk) 21:15, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Compare 🇨🇬,, , , ? ( < crier « au loup ! »?). Outside of these phrases + a few others (, - and this one already sounds a bit strange to me -, , , ), the construction seems non-productive, so imo it's a sign of their lexicalization. See also my remark at Talk:fire: "à l'ours !" doesn't exist. PUC – 14:23, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
 * I would note, for those who care about such things, that the authoritative dictionaries don't have these entries. Instead, they have a separate sense at their respective entries for for elliptical uses like this one (i.e., uses that omit the implied ). In addition to those already mentioned, they cite other such constructions like "alla malora," "al diavolo," "a me," "a noi," and "alle armi." Imetsia (talk (more ) ) 16:07, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Any thoughts? Imetsia (talk) 15:57, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
 * RFD-deleted. Imetsia (talk (more ) ) 16:07, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I would note, for those who care about such things, that the authoritative dictionaries don't have these entries. Instead, they have a separate sense at their respective entries for for elliptical uses like this one (i.e., uses that omit the implied ). In addition to those already mentioned, they cite other such constructions like "alla malora," "al diavolo," "a me," "a noi," and "alle armi." Imetsia (talk (more ) ) 16:07, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Any thoughts? Imetsia (talk) 15:57, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
 * RFD-deleted. Imetsia (talk (more ) ) 16:07, 8 August 2023 (UTC)