Talk:aufkonzentrieren

Is this conjugation correct? Benwing2 (talk) 05:05, 5 March 2022 (UTC)


 * I don't know this word but my intuition says this has to be split, however that of course sounds weird too because of the potential for confusion with konzentrieren + preo auf. Does anyone find attestations for the split conjugation? &mdash; Fytcha〈 T | L | C 〉 08:30, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Intuitively correct. Fay Freak (talk) 13:54, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Thinking about it again, I'd definitely say aufzukonzentrieren instead of zu aufkonzentrieren, which should prove that the split conjugation is correct and the unsplit one is wrong. &mdash; Fytcha〈 T | L | C 〉 12:29, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, but the table does not contain zu forms. The split one is more likely, and definitely more common. What I was thinking about with the term “split” is the form aufgekonzentriert, which seems not existing. This follows the first pattern of, and I do not even find the second one of it for this, no 3rd person singular for aufkonzentriert, which is possibly due to rarity: Jstor does not even have a single hit for  and . Still difficult though to even find finite forms! Maybe it only exists as adjective while as a verb one uses  + auf (eine gewisse Konzentration)? Can't tell, as  + auf in the common parlance blurs the picture. Fay Freak (talk) 14:35, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Agreed that attesting its finite forms is hard (maybe we need a label ? I actually think the reason for this is because "konzentrieren auf" and forms already have a different meaning as you point out as well), but I think the existence of aufzukonzentrieren proves that there's more than just konzentrieren + auf and an adj. aufkonzentriert; the kind of auf that initiates a prepositional object never glues to the zu-infinitive, that only happens for split verbs AFAIK. That's also the reason why there's no zu-infinitive in the conjugation table; for it to generate aufzukonzentrieren you have to parameterize the table as auf.konzentrieren:

&mdash; Fytcha〈 T | L | C 〉 15:01, 6 March 2022 (UTC)