Talk:bác

Hello. There is a problem with the timescales in the etymology. If we take Haudricourt (1954, translated into English in 2018)'s estimate, Proto-Vietic could be considered to have been spoken around the Early Christian era (pp. 16). On the other hand, Middle Chinese at its earliest is 5th century CE, hence MC could not have loaned into Proto-Vietic. Wyang (talk) 12:12, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I think so too, but there're Sinitic loans in Proto-Vietic that didn't match with Old Chinese phonetic, while Middle Chinese ones are much closer.PhanAnh123 (talk) 12:16, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Maybe they're indirect loans through some Tai language? I'm not sure.PhanAnh123 (talk) 12:16, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Could be possible. Looking at User:Wyang/Vietic, it appears that words such as bác, mụ, râu are not reflected in the older Vietic languages, such as Chut, Maleng. I suspect Ferlus' 'Proto-Vietic' in some cases may be a later, narrower group of languages, sort of 'Nuclear Vietic' / 'Proto-Viet-Muong' (in a more literal sense). Maybe it would suffice if we write "Late, from MC" rather than create another proto-language, since Ferlus did not distinguish them. Wyang (talk) 12:24, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I think it's a good idea.PhanAnh123 (talk) 12:36, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

Short form
In medical slang this is also a clipped form of, as in Bác Hà, Bác Thắng, ... Not sure if and where this should be added. Wyang (talk) 04:19, 22 April 2018 (UTC)