Talk:bahasa Malaysia

RFC discussion: March 2021
The redirect bahasa Malaysia redirect makes no sense to me. Why is it redirecting to Malaysia? We have a page at Bahasa Malaysia, and bahasa Melayu, and Bahasa Indonesia, and bahasa Indonesia. If it is a redirect, shouldn't it point to Bahasa Malaysia ? The usages at Malaysia are not concerned with bahasa/Bahasa. -- 65.93.183.33 15:38, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
 * We don't have bahasa Melayu or bahasa Indonesia either. The redirects are due to the apparent decision of the editors of Indonesian/Malay to not include all possible language names (bahasa Madagaskar, bahasa Rwanda) and instead redirect them to the respective adjectives. All language names in Malay (or Indonesian) are a combination of " + Country/Ethnonym" and could thus be deemed SOP. See also the redirect at . The pages Bahasa Malaysia and Bahasa Indonesia are of the English words.
 * I am myself not an Indonesian/Malay editor, so I can't inform you on what grounds this decision was made. Apparently has played a role in that discussion (as per the revision history of b. Indonesia). Thadh (talk) 16:02, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
 * There is Bahasa Indonesia and Bahasa Malaysia, which are hidden behind the redirects (and also redirect Bahasa indonesia). While the targets Malaysia and Indonesia any bahasa topics, so there is a disconnect between the incoming redirect and the content of the target pages, while there are pages that have the exact same spelling but capitalized which hare shadowed and potentially hidden away by the redirection. Thus my not comprehending why the pagenames stripped of "bahasa" would be appropriate targets for such redirects.
 * bahasa Belanda, or any of the other redirects Special:PrefixIndex/bahasa (and Special:PrefixIndex/Bahasa) also doesn't seem to make sense as a redirect. Belanda (or the other targets) do not list an entry corresponding to a bahasa (language/dialect). Lacking a definition corresponding to Dutch would seem to show the redirection is incorrect, as it doesn't lead to a definition of the term in question (which if it is an SOP, would be natural, as half the definition is missing). It seems that either these should have been RfD'd or should not be redirects. -- 65.93.183.33 17:20, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
 * As I said before, the terms can easily be deduced from the two components: +  = Dutch language. Perhaps giving Bahasa Indonesia and Bahasa Malaysia with  at Indonesia and Malaysia respectively may help with the search, but I believe the redirects are still correct. Thadh (talk) 19:16, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Wouldn't it be more reasonable to convert them into misspelling entries of the English language entries at the fully capitalized pagenames, at bahasa Malaysia and bahasa Indonesia, for Bahasa Malaysia and Bahasa Indonesia?
 * If Bahasa Perancis is acceptable, then Cherokee language, English language, Persian language would also be analogously acceptable redirects, as the same form of SOP redirects.
 * In the case of bahasa Bulgaria and bahasa Catalan and others, the resulting redirects points to pages where neither Indonesian nor Malay languages exist as sections.
 * The Indonesian/Malaysian editors may wish to examine Category:id:Languages, where two entries remain for two languages that are not redirects at the moment.
 * The case of category:ms:Languages shows that the target of bahasa Jepun actually has entries for languages in Indonesian and Malay at Jepun, instead of non-existent entries for languages/dialects, as is the case for bahasa Perancis, bahasa Indonesia, bahasa Malaysia, ...
 * While Melanau lists Malay as a section with a language entry without the incoming redirect bahasa Melanau (and similarly for the remaining pages at cat:ms:Languages) but is formed that way at Bahasa Melanau
 * -- 65.93.183.33 03:47, 25 March 2021 (UTC)