Talk:bleed to death

RFD discussion: October 2017–April 2018
Looks sum of parts to me. You can do anything "to death". 96.70.144.241 23:33, 29 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete . To death has a literal (SoP) and a figurative meaning. Bleed to death uses the literal one. DCDuring (talk) 09:19, 30 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete as SoP. — SGconlaw (talk) 02:12, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete, SOP. --Barytonesis (talk) 12:49, 31 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete Sonofcawdrey (talk) 04:08, 1 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep to serve as a translation hub (translation target), a better one than its synonym bleed out since it is much more common, believing . The translations that make it worthwhile include German verbluten, Czech vykrvácet and Swedish förblöda. --Dan Polansky (talk) 17:06, 18 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep. Other references, including MWOnline, have it. [[bleed out]] (synonymous) has several translations. DCDuring (talk) 03:52, 19 November 2017 (UTC)


 * How is “to die from massive loss of blood, usually from severe arterial bleeding” different from “used other than with a figurative or idiomatic meaning”? — Ungoliant (falai) 15:31, 1 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Is that a "delete" vote on your part? bd2412 T 22:42, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete per Ungoliant. - -sche (discuss) 23:14, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete as SoP. --SanctMinimalicen (talk) 23:11, 19 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Is no one convinced by the translation hub? "bleed to death" is 4 times more common than "bleed out", per GNV. --Dan Polansky (talk) 18:01, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
 * That doesn't make it less SOP. It should only serve as a translation hub if nothing else can. —Mahāgaja (formerly Angr) · talk 21:26, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
 * The translation hub term has to be on the definition line of the foreign-language term, or else it does not work as a hub. Would not it be ideal to have the most common translation on the definition line? And about "nothing else can": the current proposal in Votes/pl-2018-03/Including_translation_hubs says "The existence of a rare single-word English synonym of the considered English term does not disqualify the considered English term". Now, "bleed out" is not rare, but it is still 4 times less common than "bleed to death". --Dan Polansky (talk) 07:51, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
 * For instance, Swedish förblöda now says bleed to death. It will have to say "bleed to death, bleed out". That works, but is not ideal, IMHO. --Dan Polansky (talk) 07:54, 2 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete as SOP. —Mahāgaja (formerly Angr) · talk 21:26, 1 April 2018 (UTC)

Deleted. bd2412 T 14:56, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

RFD discussion: December 2020–March 2021
Original discussion: Talk:bleed to death


 * Undelete >SOP &mdash; Dentonius 14:54, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Without offering too much hope, I note Merriam-Webster has an entry, as mentioned in the RFD discussion. DonnanZ (talk) 16:22, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi DonnanZ, it's clear that you're saying undelete but could you just put that in writing in bold to make things easier later on? &mdash; Dentonius 17:12, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm sitting on the fence for now. DonnanZ (talk) 17:44, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Weak undelete per the THUB argument (although I never really liked this policy). Imetsia (talk) 16:45, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Can we have a look at the translations? Troll Control (talk) 16:46, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Oh we're supposed to look at bleed_out. That's nonobvious. Troll Control (talk) 16:58, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Looking at doesn't seem much more obvious to me. 2A02:2788:A4:205:29FF:D95E:382C:FD20 12:25, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Stay deleted, per the original RFD discussion. --Robbie SWE (talk) 17:33, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Weak undelete per the lemming mentioned at Talk:bleed to death. I am not convinced the THUB argument should apply here; bleed out is adequate for that purpose, isn't it? ←₰-→ Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk)  17:47, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Stay deleted. Vox Sciurorum (talk) 23:47, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Stay deleted, as LBD pointed out the thub argument does not apply and the lemming is only one example. I don't think a single dictionary is enough for the lemming argument to work. Lemmings don't come in pairs. — Mnemosientje (t · c) 15:34, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep deleted, SOP, can serve as a translation target. PUC ~ 2A02:2788:A4:205:29FF:D95E:382C:FD20 12:25, 21 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Translations aside, Keep deleted on the basis that it is just one instance of the general pattern "X + to death" (freeze to death, choke to death, starve to death, burn to death, etc.), though the present entry at to death could be more helpful. As far as the translations are concerned, I have never even heard of the expression "bleed out" in this sense, and I would have no idea to look there for translations of "bleed to death", if that's what is being suggested. Mihia (talk) 14:44, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I saw a suggestion from "someone on the Internet" that "bleed out" is medical jargon. Mihia (talk) 14:53, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Maybe originally, but I don't think it is anymore. Perhaps its use in medical drama TV shows has allowed it to spread to the general population. —Mahāgaja · talk 17:59, 21 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Stays deleted. —Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 08:31, 7 March 2021 (UTC)