Talk:boneless lean beef trimming

Not a definition - it is simply adding a "singular" to an improper definition - if any definition is used, the USDA terminology should be used. Cheers. Collect (talk) 13:24, 12 April 2012 (UTC)


 * We document language as actually used (in print, etc.) and not according to legal definitions. By all means RFV it if you don't believe it can be attested. Equinox ◑ 13:24, 12 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Actually, this singular form probably does not meet our Criteria for Inclusion; the term seems to be used only in the plural (which I've just cited). - -sche (discuss) 18:42, 12 April 2012 (UTC)


 * I just added it as the singular because it is proper grammar, I believe following trimming which is the definition entry and trimmings which has the plural only redirect definition, as per the manual of style here correct me if I am wrong.Lucifer (talk) 21:18, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
 * It's OK that you added it, it is logical that the singular would exist... it just appears not to exist in durable places, so I've sent it to RFV. - -sche (discuss) 21:23, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh I never thought it did exist, I am actually in favor or -ings as nouns and plural only terms and "the x" words being added as used so I will just nominate it for deletion.Lucifer (talk) 01:02, 13 April 2012 (UTC)


 * I've deleted it, because it does not appear to meet CFI, per the discussion above and on WT:RFV (which will be archived to here sooner or later). - -sche (discuss) 01:29, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

RFV
I just cited [[boneless lean beef trimmings]] and [[lean finely textured beef]], but I'm having a hard time finding citations of this singular form. (It looks like I created the singular form, so you may be wondering why I don't just delete it as an "own error", but in fact another editor created the entry as a singular and I moved it to the plural and then recreated the singular as a soft redirect.) - -sche (discuss) 18:48, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I might not have the right nomenclature in mind, but I suspect that "trimmings" in this context is a collective noun. For instance, when one gets something "with all the trimmings", I've never heard of any case of getting something "with one trimming".  -- Eiríkr Útlendi │ Tala við mig 18:54, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
 * You mean something like: I give my dog one good trimming every month.? Also, I gave my dog a few bits of lean beef trimming(s).
 * Also, doesn't the existence of a cite like the following suggest that this is not a set phrase:
 * This would suggest that perhaps lean boneless beef is a standard meet-industry term. DCDuring TALK 20:22, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Still, boneless lean beef trimming probably meets our WT:IDIOM "genuine issue of material fact" and "seafloor spreading" tests. - -sche (discuss) 20:35, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't think that WT:IDIOM can be taken too seriously as I don't think all the claims made on the page can be substantiated. Also some items would make it under multiple criteria, especially the lemming test. DCDuring TALK 21:58, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Incidentally: I'm no fan of content duplication, but I wonder if it might not be more neutral from POV standpoint (NPOV) to have the definition at both pink slime and one of the industry terms &mdash; I hope we can at least avoid duplicating the content at pink slime and both industry terms by defining one as a synonym of the other &mdash; rather than defining both industry terms as [[pink slime]]. - -sche (discuss) 20:43, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Follow-up: I have deleted the singular entry, per the talk page. - -sche (discuss) 18:44, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Follow-up: I have deleted the singular entry, per the talk page. - -sche (discuss) 18:44, 13 April 2012 (UTC)