Talk:bourgeoisie

RFV discussion: November–December 2018
Rfv-sense ‘Those who profit more than the profit of their total labor’, added by User:Учхљёная, many of whose other contributions were rather untrustworthy. Is this really distinct from the Marxist definition 2 (‘The capitalist class’)? Can any uses of the word that clearly refer to this particular distinction be found? — Vorziblix (talk · contribs) 13:31, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
 * In the analysis of the Western socioeconomic relations given by Marx, the bourgeoisie is a class whose status evolved to become the ruling class as the power of nobility wanes and eventually becomes mostly symbolic. This process coincides with the transition to an industrialized society. Characteristic of the bourgeoisie as a class is that it owns the capital (that is, the means of production). According to Marxist analysis, capitalism as an economic system requires that surplus value of the workers’ labour accrues to the owners of the capital. However, whether one is an adherent of this Marxist theory or not, that claim is the conclusion of a deduction within Marxist theory. As such, it is an accidental property, not an essential one, and thus should not be part of the definition. There is a theory that the habitual use of cannabis leads to mental impairment. Even if true, we should not define as “Sufferer from mental impairment due to the habitual use of cannabis”.  --Lambiam 19:39, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

RFV-failed Kiwima (talk) 20:23, 26 December 2018 (UTC)