Talk:boy

Hebrew
Regarding the Hebrew entry: In my opinion, the link should be made from the word itself, not from its transcription. This is how all other non-latin scripts are dealt with, isn't it? Unless, of course, there is a bidirectionality-related problem here which I fail to see... T42 17:09 Jul 13, 2003 (UTC)

Connotations
The connotations here are tricky, and I'm not sure how best to deal with them. I'm tempted to mark it for cleanup -dmh 04:38, 13 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Done. — LlywelynII  13:59, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

Definitions don't really cover it...
Seems like the definitions don't really cover the usage, IMHO. Generally, at least in the English I've encountered, "boy" means a younger male, but it might be used to talk about men in a way that makes them seem more familiar or younger. Not sure what the term for this is, but it might be diminuitive, like a nick-name.

It's also sometimes used to mean "son" as in "he's my boy". Maerk 00:31, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Loogie Awards muck-up
is certainly a notable use of the phrase but it's been heavily mythologized.

Modern Aussie sources tend to claim the term is innocent in Australia and Newton awkwardly/deftly extricated himself from seeming offensive to an aggrieved to over-the-top Ali. In fact, as the other cites show, it has a loong history in Australia and New Zealand (in fact everywhere else in the Commonwealth) and Newton wouldn't've said it among aborigines even at the time. Instead, it was a catchphrase of an ad Newton was in and he was being cheeky, playing the two senses against each other. If Ali wasn't already part of a script, it was his gentle lifelines that saved the situation from the powerful offense the rest of the room took on his behalf.

It belongs here... but under the offensive sense Newton toyed with and actually keyed up, not the innocent one he feigned. It is, in fact, an excellent example of the term becoming something too offensive for polite company. — LlywelynII  13:59, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

RFC discussion: January 2015
(Turkish) Etymology 1 and etymology 2 are exactly the same. — Ungoliant (falai) 14:22, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Or at least the spellings are identical. Perhaps there are two different Old Turkic nouns 'bod' and two different Proto-Turkic nouns 'bod' too. Renard Migrant (talk) 17:18, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
 * I suspect they copied the text from the first etymology and forgot to change it. — Ungoliant (falai) 19:17, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
 * You're right that's more likely. Renard Migrant (talk) 21:03, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

English etymology
Etymonline disagrees with the etymology presented here. 62.65.33.194 09:58, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

Non-human boys
Some discussions related to the addition/revision of senses covering non-human boys are at Tea room/2019/December (Talk:girl) and Tea room/2020/February. - -sche (discuss) 23:51, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

Usage notes
Its easy to spot nonnative speakers when they use boy incongruously ... I remember working one job in a heavily touristed area and being asked "do you hire girls here, or just boys?" His accent was flawless but I knew right away he was from Eastern Europe. I want to help English learners but I cant keep on typing up stuff like this and expecting it to stand unchallenged. Still, maybe somebody somewhere has written up a usage guide telling English learners the ins and outs of the overlapping meanings of words like boy, guy, and man, which to use as a term of self-address and which one for other people. It's surely less complicated than e.g. Japanese with its sixty-odd pronouns, but still complicated enough that I'm sure someone has considered it worthy of a usage guide. — Soap — 12:31, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I am still interested in this ... I was a lot less sure of myself when I wrote this three years ago ... but I still dont really know what to write. — Soap — 10:18, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

Object boy
In a recent discussion with others I found some people (including myself) use boy to mean thing, like "I went to the store and picked up a frozen pizza. That boy cost me five bucks.". I feel like this usage is common enough for cites to exist but I wouldn't have any myself. -- Mocha2007 (talk) 01:41, 26 July 2020 (UTC)

Here are some non-citable examples detailing the usage I'm referring to:
 * This boy cost me $500 better throw it away (referring to a console)
 * That's one icy boy (referring to an icepack)

Unfortunately the other senses make it hard to find usage in this sense. -- Mocha2007 (talk) 01:59, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Similar in use to guy then. The second usage looks like a reference to  the "who would win?" meme, which uses "one (adjective) boi" or "some (adjective) bois"  .... unless that use is itself a reference to some other meme.  I dont know how much trust we put in memes, but the first usage looks like part of the standard language and thus something that's here to stay.  — Soap — 00:56, 5 September 2020 (UTC)


 * bad boy is often used this way. Equinox ◑ 01:19, 5 September 2020 (UTC)

French derivation
The Middle English dictionary at this URL states that boy is a loanword from French. Ive seen this etymology before, but we dont list it. Even if it's now seen as less probable, should we at least mention it? — Soap — 10:18, 1 March 2023 (UTC)