Talk:calomfir


 * what about Greek ϰαρυάφυλλον (karyáfyllon), ϰαρυοφύλλι (karyofýlli), ϰαλάφυλλον (kaláfyllon)? According to DER (1958-1966) the variants (calofir and calapăr) are supposed to have come from Bulgarian, while the main form came from Greek. It's inevitably of Arabic origin anyway. --Robbie SWE (talk) 17:41, 4 March 2021 (UTC)


 * The problem with Greek is that neither of those variants would end up as calo(m)fir in Romanian. The "m" addition is almost certainly an internal derivation in Romanian (see in words like zamfir) and -fil (or -fer) to -fir could be an internal derivation in Romanian as well (under the influence of fir).
 * However, there are some problems with all these Greek variants:
 * ϰαλάφυλλον would end up calamfir (like καλαπόδι to calapod)
 * ϰαρυάφυλλον and ϰαρυοφύλλι have that "r" which also gets borrowed in Romanian from Greek.
 * There is however, a direct borrowing of the word from Greek, as the personal name of Caramfil / Caranfil. Bogdan (talk) 20:24, 4 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Thanks! According to MDA2 (2010), we do have the variants calamfir, calofir, calonfir, calonhir, caramfil, caramfilă, caranfină, caranfir, caranhil and (reg.) corofir. I believe that their presence suggests several possible sources. --Robbie SWE (talk) 20:43, 4 March 2021 (UTC)