Talk:child rape

RFD discussion: August 2020–January 2021
Looks a lot like Wonderfool's crappy SOP. --Kriss Barnes (talk) 01:10, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete as SOP. PseudoSkull (talk) 12:37, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete as SoP. — SGconlaw (talk) 14:36, 8 August 2020 (UTC)


 * But how is a reader to know this doesn't refer to a young plant? J/k, delete. - -sche (discuss) 04:01, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
 * A baby rape plant? Baby rape is even worse. Delete. DonnanZ (talk) 07:03, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
 * We have, and . Although we have no entry for it, baby cucumber is also a thing. So why not baby rape? Do you have a baby beef with it :)?  --Lambiam 12:08, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * The OED does have male rape, which is comparable. I would also say that in terms such as gang rape or acquaintance rape, the first element describes who is committing the rape; but with child rape, male rape and others, the first element describes the victim instead. So there are certainly lexicographical grounds for explaining this. Ƿidsiþ 12:22, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Rape was, by definition, carnal knowledge of a female by force and against her will. So male rape was different from rape. Now the laws are unisex and you can rape anybody.  On the other hand older rape laws did include rape of a child, at least of a girl.  Vox Sciurorum (talk) 13:13, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * My point is that "X rape" is not predictable: it sometimes means "rape of X" and sometimes "rape by X", and it depends on the collocation. I am not saying we should definitely keep this, but I am pointing out that there are lexicographic reasons for doing so. Ƿidsiþ 13:33, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * True, but...that's also true of a huge variety of compounds, perhaps simply true of compounds generally. ("Gang abuse" is by a gang (in many books, by a gang of children targeting an elderly person) while "child abuse" is of a child, a "bird puppet" depicts a bird while a "cotton puppet" is made out of cotton, a "frat party" is held by a frat (rather than to celebrate the recent joining of a frat) while an "engagement party" is to celebrate a recent engagement (rather than being a party made out of 'engagement(s)', or to get engaged at), etc.) The former narrowness of rape can be noted in the entry rape, but I'm not sure it lends any idiomaticity to other compounds (which are certainly numerous: "elder rape", "spousal rape", "date rape",, ...). (As an aside, our entry says rape can broadly mean "any sex act forced by any person upon another person", but even this may not be broad enough, if the noun can be attested in reference to situations were the perpetrator and/or victim is e.g. an animal. Then again, I'm having trouble finding examples, so maybe the noun is not attested in such cases, although the verb certainly is.) - -sche (discuss) 19:37, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Indeed, but some would say this is exactly why dictionaries try to include common collocations, even when their meaning is fairly obvious. Ƿidsiþ 07:49, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Not the coziest stuff to link, but in these places animal rape means "human-on-animal rape"  and here it means "animal-on-human rape" . Its typical meaning seems "intraspecies rape among non-human animals". ←₰-→  Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk)  15:04, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment: Shouldn't date rape be included as idiomatic, though? When I first saw this term at age 14, I didn't know that date rape didn't necessarily occur on a date. Khemehekis (talk) 02:22, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete, SOP, not lexicalised. Also, I agree with -sche: the semantic link between the two components of a compound is a priori undetermined; that's not a reason per se to keep them all. PUC – 21:22, 17 August 2020 (UTC)


 * I think I would favour deletion. It could be rape by a child, or of one child by another; that is not usually what we mean but I think that's more about the nature of the world (it's more likely for an adult to abuse a child, or for child-on-child sex to be interpreted as play, etc.) than about the lexicography. Equinox ◑ 19:15, 18 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Should be kept: child abuse and drug abuse are here to stay. rape is just another verb that has taken the shape of a noun. The SoP argument would make more sense, if it were possible to generate ad infinitum (cat rape, dog rape etc.) And how about child rapist? Then delete gang rapist, too. As if language is simply logic. Example: https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/uk-england-merseyside-52476219 Melvin Miller: Paedophile who filmed child rapes jailed --Hartz (talk) 20:17, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
 * You may notice that rape uses the term "person" in the relevant definition. Even so, I think you'll find a few references to rape of and by animals. As for gang rape, that can involve randomly unrelated people, not a gang in any of the senses we have. In other words, the missing terms are due to semantic limitations of the component parts rather than to anything special about this combination. Chuck Entz (talk) 21:34, 25 September 2020 (UTC)


 * RFD-deleted. —Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 23:14, 1 January 2021 (UTC)