Talk:childlover

"Non-sadistic"?
Editor: The term 'non sadistic pedophile' (as used) curiously implies that non sadistic pedophiles are some kind of exception, when the definition of 'pedophile' is very clear that their lust is not sadistic. The solving of this 'false synonym' problem involving child abuse and sadism does not belong under the definition heading, but under etymology.


 * It is the policy of this dictionary to define terms descriptively, that is, how the term is being used. Pedophile is used in a significantly different way by members of, say, NAMBLA, than it is by a Fox news reporter.  The popular usage has a sadistic and even criminal connotation, and as such the terms such as "childlover" which are used by the pedophile community without such negative connotation need to be clearly differentiated from the common definition for pedophile. - TheDaveRoss 23:40, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Thus such discussion belongs under 'etymology', which comes before the definition, to dispel this ambiguity. The *definition*, however, should be timeless. I have put up some proper etymology for all of the new phrases, anyway. This should make quite a good compromise, in that it removes some of the presumptuous thinking that the *noun definition* could inspire, regarding the *standard nature* of pedophilia (as a sexual attraction, as opposed to sadistic psychopathy). If you want to *define* the term in relation to society, as opposed to the proper meaning of 'pedophile', maybe 'A Pedophile who, in defiance of public percepton, claims not to be a danger to children', would be better than throwing sadism in, which may imply that sadistic pedophiles exist more commonly than, say sadistic homosexuals. And BTW, to a NAMbLA member, 'non sadistic' does not come into reckoning whan using the term, because such people do not see themselves as sadistic, so it in fact has no relation to how the phrase is being used, but *why* it is being used, i.e. put it in etymology.


 * ✅ It seems "non-sadistic" was removed at some point anyway. Equinox ◑ 14:57, 29 June 2022 (UTC)