Talk:crazy-paving

RFV discussion: January–February 2019
This form is rare at best, mostly used in medical scanning technology (unlike "crazy paving") and some hits on Google Books seem like mentions. ←₰-→ Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk)  10:06, 29 January 2019 (UTC)


 * cited. What makes you think it is so rare? I found many, many uses. Kiwima (talk) 01:10, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
 * It's what I see when I search for "crazy-paving" (with double quotes) on Google Books; three results, of which one looks like arguably a mention. How many results do you see for the hyphenated form? ←₰-→ Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk)  12:04, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Ah, I searched for "crazypaving", which gave many pages of results, almost all of which were scannos of "crazy-paving". Google books often does this type of scanno, so I routinely do this for hyphenated forms. Kiwima (talk) 22:53, 2 February 2019 (UTC)

RFV-passed Kiwima (talk) 19:22, 9 February 2019 (UTC)

RFD discussion: January–April 2019
This one of about a thousand "attributive form of noun", I suggest we convert them all to redirects (unless there is another sense or language). This is a standard construction, I think the user is better served landing on the page with actual content. - TheDaveRoss  15:36, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete most for essentially the same reason as "much-mocked" above. The hyphenation of compound modifiers is a regular feature of the English language, with practically unlimited potential from "aardvark-skin handbag" to "zebra-stripe socks". Learners of English (and in fact many native speakers) may need to be taught this, but it is not the job of a dictionary to list every possibility individually. Mihia (talk) 23:20, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
 * It's not an adjective like, which should be kept, just attributive. This will probably end up being deleted, but I will abstain. DonnanZ (talk) 10:07, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
 * They are both compound modifiers hyphenated in exactly the same mechanically predictable way that is repeated across a virtually limitless number of combinations. All of these hyphenated compound modifiers that are composed predictably from separate words should be deleted (or not created) unless there are special usage issues or special idiomatic considerations applying. Mihia (talk) 00:53, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep, this is more of a BP matter anyway. ←₰-→ Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk)  14:04, 28 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Do you know what we're missing here? There is a larger problem. There are a lot of terms that were traditionally spelled with a hyphen that has now been lost, either by dropping the space or by changing the hyphen into a space (people today will probably write "icecream" or "ice cream" but not "ice-cream"). These hyphen-attributive entries seem to suggest that the hyphen form is a magical attributive thing whereas in real usage it's often just an alternative of the everyday noun. If I saw "they're adding crazy-paving to their garden" I wouldn't blink. Equinox ◑ 17:30, 28 January 2019 (UTC)
 * None of which is captured by a bare bones "attributive form of" entry which is useful to nobody. Put up or shut up, whoever wants to create these types of pages should do their homework and research historical and contemporary uses. Otherwise they can get bent. DTLHS (talk) 17:41, 28 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Wow I never saw DTLHS angry before. Related: check this out: the OED realised hyphens were bullshit 12 years ago: Equinox ◑ 17:46, 28 January 2019 (UTC)


 * In this case, judging from the results on Google Books, the hyphenated form is a very rare recent development used in medical terminology as an attributive form, not a relic of the dated compound hyphen. ←₰-→ Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk)  10:11, 29 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Shouldn't these all be kept if someone can find actual usage for them (not me). SemperBlotto (talk) 10:19, 29 January 2019 (UTC)
 * , I don't believe that combining hyphens de facto create distinct terms, no more than spaces between terms, or punctuation before or after them. In some cases the hyphen does combine two terms into a single term, but this is not one of those cases. By the same logic which would make this idiomatic so would be (exclamatory form of word),  (inquisitive form of word) and  (at the end of an unfinished thought form of word). Combining hyphens are just a form of punctuation, the fact that that punctuation has meaning (as all punctuation does) does not mean we need to define every construct in which that punctuation is present. -  TheDaveRoss  13:33, 29 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep but perhaps as some kind of soft redirect. Alternative form, maybe, although in many cases it IS only for the adjectival use. Ƿidsiþ 13:13, 5 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Didn't we have a general discussion about this? One issue is that these are rarely limited to being attributive forms, they're often also attested as mere alternative forms.IMO, keep as a soft-redirect ( of some kind) or, at worst, make into a hard redirect. - -sche (discuss) 17:41, 5 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep: crazy paving is included, and crazy-paving is one of its attributive forms. Let me emphasize that this is to keep attributive forms of included multiword terms, not attributive forms of excluded multiword terms. --Dan Polansky (talk) 10:39, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
 * RFD passed. —Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 22:37, 14 April 2019 (UTC)