Talk:dalangin

Etymology
Can I ask what the source was for this etymology you added? Thanks. --Mar vin kaiser (talk) 07:23, 20 December 2021 (UTC)


 * @Mar vin kaiser I don't exactly remember what else I used to look it up. I think I must've analyzed the structure of the word and got the root word and affixes out then checked the meaning in KWF's Diksiyonaryo then wondered how that fit together and saw that the concepts seemed to fit enough in a certain perspective, since one would more often be wishing for supplication in a prayer for what one would be lacking in. Mlgc1998 (talk) 07:51, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
 * If that's the case, this etymology would then be only speculative. The way the concepts fit is pretty weak, to be honest, since you can connect any two ideas with enough imagination. And no other source mentions the etymology of this word, so I'm removing it for now. --Mar vin kaiser (talk) 08:16, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
 * @Mar vin kaiser what have you found then? since that's often a subjective remark. Mlgc1998 (talk) 08:36, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
 * All sources I have don't mention an etymology for the word "dalangin". It's not wise to assume an affix etymology even if it looks like it, especially when the definitions don't have a 1 to 1 link with each other, and when no sources give this idea, since Tagalog words can end in -in without it being an affix. --Mar vin kaiser (talk) 08:57, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
 * @Mar vin kaiser I looked at some of the old spanish vocabularios. The page 119 for Vocabulario de la Lengua Tagala (1835) and page 100 for Vocabulario de la lengua tagala (1860) seems to have entries for "Dalang" where the spanish or tagalog sample sentences or definitions seem to be talking about the heavens. Mlgc1998 (talk) 09:22, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for searching further. For the 1860 source, the definition of "dalang" is "raro" or "rare", and the sentence there is "Madalang ang ganga ikaw ay nanapapasalangit" (I modernized the spelling), basically "rare that people like you get to Heaven". For the 1835 source, same sentence. The word "dalangin" is also found in these dictionaries in separate entries. In the 1835 source in particular, we find the sentence "Dinalangin ko yari sa pari" or "I asked this to be prayed by the priest.", the word "dinalangin" here implies the verb "dalanginin", so we see here how the "-in" suffix attaches to the root word "dalangin", so it becomes less likely that the last two letters of "dalangin" as a suffix too, I think it's plausible, but I would say it's super rare, if ever. We can come back to this if we have more evidence. --Mar vin kaiser (talk) 10:22, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
 * @Mar vin kaiser Now that I think about this. It looks like this could have something to do with, tho who knows... Mlgc1998 (talk) 16:06, 21 December 2021 (UTC)