Talk:dare rifugio

RFD discussion: May–June 2021
Italian SOP, "to give refuge," hence "to shelter." Imetsia (talk) 20:34, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete. Ultimateria (talk) 21:35, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I've been gathering constructions of this type (in French) at User:PUC/Nominal direct objects without article, because I feel the absence of article almost automatically gives them idiomatic status; I mean, not using an article is not something you can do freely in French, it only occurs in lexicalized turns of phrase AFAICT.
 * Consequently, I've been creating entries for them very liberally. It's true that I may have gone too far with this principle, and once or twice I've created things which I felt were rather SOP, but most of the time it holds true.
 * Wouldn't you say it's the same in Italian? 2A02:2788:A4:205:EC01:FB23:BEB8:84A3 12:41, 26 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, I think the general principle is similar in Italian. But, from my limited knowledge, I think French requires/prefers an article to an even greater extent than Italian does. In any case, I don't think this entry is lexicalized. For one thing, expressions like "cercare rifugio - to seek shelter," "trovare rifugio - to find refuge," or "offrire rifugio - to offer refuge" are possible without including the article. Further, there are no lemmings in Italian dictionaries, which is typically a big factor for me when deciding whether to nominate an entry as SOP. Imetsia (talk) 18:38, 26 June 2021 (UTC)
 * RFD-deleted. Imetsia (talk) 15:57, 30 June 2021 (UTC)