Talk:de naissance

de naissance
Looks SOP to me. --81.9.132.96 12:09, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I dunno, it seems "since birth" rather than "of birth", I'd rather keep it. Mglovesfun (talk) 12:24, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
 * 'de' can mean not just 'of' but also 'from', and 'from birth' is not idiomatic... —CodeCat 17:09, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
 * To put it another way, you can't use just de + any noun, like "d'adolescence" (this exists, but does not mean "since adolescence"). I believe naissance is the only word that can be used this way. Mglovesfun (talk) 17:20, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

Kept. — T AKASUGI Shinji (talk) 02:34, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep: the TLFi also has an entry . — T AKASUGI Shinji (talk) 23:49, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep. Actarus (Prince d&#39;Euphor) 07:37, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
 * , but the definition needs to be tweaked slightly. It has two different meanings. One idiomatic and one non-idiomatic/sop. Firstly, for the idiomatic meaning, it is more like by birth. It refers to a charasteristic that has existed ever since birth (which is usually depuis la naissance, not de naissance), instead of something that's acquired later on in life. For example you can say, Je me ronge toujours les ongles depuis la naissance. &mdash; I have been biting my nails since I was born., but not Je me ronge toujours les ongles de naissance. - which doesn't really make sense. It's a habit that you pick up later on in your life, not from the word go. You can say, Elle est française de naissance. &mdash; She is a French by birth., not Elle est française depuis la naissance., as this is a fact that has existed since birth, not a later development. Secondly, we have the non-idiomatic meaning, which is of birth or from birth. Examples include cadeau de naissance (birth gift), liste de naissance (birth list or list of births) etc... I hope this has clarified it. Jamesjiao → T ◊ C 02:33, 14 February 2012 (UTC)