Talk:de schoen zetten

RFD discussion: November 2020–January 2022
SOP. You can replace de with another article or determiner, you can use another type of footwear instead of schoen, you can change the noun to plural. ←₰-→ Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk)  18:38, 26 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Isn't the meaning of the verb in this collocation idiomatic, though? Not only is the English sentence ”don’t forget to put your shoe” incomprehensible, it is also rather ungrammatical.  --Lambiam 20:03, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Certainly the bit about it being for St Nicholas is not discernible from the individual parts. —Mahāgaja · talk 21:02, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, I think it deserves a distinct sense at . ←₰-→ Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk)  08:56, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I have placed a relevant sense at . ←₰-→ Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk)  19:33, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
 * In that case, maybe we could leave a hard redirect? I doubt any other language has this phrase. (that is, if we don't just move since it's neck and neck right now) Thadh (talk) 20:53, 20 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Move to ; It has an idiomatic aspect in it, but the article isn't necessary. I haven't ever heard the term being used with anything else but "schoen". (for reference: there is even the noun "schoenzet"). Also, compare . Thadh (talk) 22:27, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Using zetten in this way is easily citable with klomp as the object   and it occurs marginally with laars . ←₰-→  Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk)  08:56, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Hm, the more you know. I do have the feeling that these are mere regional variants ("(de) klomp zetten" seems to mainly be used in farming communities). Perhaps a little like de poes uit de boom kijken : it isn't the main form nor used often, but everyone would understand it. Thadh (talk) 11:41, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
 * But schoentje(s) zetten is also rather common. And including klompje zetten in the count of klomp zetten adds up. And here is another laars gezet. The generic idiom is, apparently,  zetten. Schoen being the most common designation for the most common type of footwear, it is not surprising that this is the form with the highest frequency. But if you compare the ghit count ratios of “de kat:poes aaien" (5650:695) with those of “de kat:poes uit de boom kijken" (39900:8), it is clear that de poes uit de boom kijken is a non-idiomatic variation. There are even more ghits (“about 16 results”) for de hond uit de boom kijken. --Lambiam 13:04, 27 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep -- Dentonius 08:50, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
 * What do you think of the substitutability argument? Two components of this three-word phrase can be replaced with something else. ←₰-→ Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk)  17:08, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I won't disagree with your reasoning. My view of what I'd like to see here is just different from yours. This is from Dutch Wikipedia by the way: "De schoen zetten is een traditie binnen het sinterklaasfeest waarbij kinderen 's avonds hun schoen plaatsen bij de haard vanaf de dag dat Sinterklaas in het land is aangekomen." I would be okay with either "de schoen zetten" or "schoen zetten". I'd like to keep one or the other. &mdash; Dentonius 17:46, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nominator. Imetsia (talk) 18:10, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

RFD-moved. &mdash; Fytcha〈 T | L | C 〉 16:14, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Move per Thadh's reasoning. Morgengave (talk) 09:27, 14 December 2020 (UTC)