Talk:deaf and dumb

Either needs some sort of figurative use, or just throwing in the dustbin. Mglovesfun (talk) 12:26, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
 * It is idiomatic, as those people are virtually always physically capable of speaking, they just don't know how. Dumbness is when one is physically incapable of speaking. Boobie 12:37, 13 August 2009 (UTC)


 * You're saying that one who is deaf and physically incapable of speaking is not called deaf and dumb? —Michael Z. 2009-08-13 13:59 z 


 * This collocation may be worth keeping in order to note that it was once widely used but is now considered offensive because of the pejorative sense of dumb:. —Rod (A. Smith) 15:20, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Several current dictionaries have it, some to suggest that it is not current or is offensive. Also Cockney rhyming slang for bum:, according to Partridge's. Keep. DCDuring TALK 17:14, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Restored to allow for a debate. Mglovesfun (talk) 17:32, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Kept, needs some cleanup. Mglovesfun (talk) 06:31, 2 October 2009 (UTC)