Talk:dikuçar

RFV discussion: December 2021–September 2022
Turkish. Tagged for speedy deletion as a phony purist invention, which it no doubt is. The question is whether it is in use enough to meet WT:ATTEST. There are citations on the citation page, but I have no way to assess their validity. If not deleted, it needs to be labeled appropriately so no one thinks this is the regular Turkish word for helicopter. Chuck Entz (talk) 23:30, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
 * In Turkey, there're some proposals for foreign origin words. This is one of them. Another proposals are sınalgı and bağdarlama. Some people who aspire to generalization of Turkish origin words in Turkish language, try to create articles like this. It's hard to find citations for those words because you cannot convince people for using dikuçar instead of helikopter. Helikopter is widely used for decades. Dikuçar has no meaning in the eye of people who speak Turkish. "Dik" means "vertical" and "uçar" means "fly". This word was fabricated approximately ten years ago. There're very few citations for it. Furthermore, verification of these citations are problematical, because in Turkey everyone can easily publish a book without seeking for any expertness. Hani Astolin who always write books which contain proposed Turkish origin words and no one can understand these words because they're extra-ordinary. It mentioned in just one postgraduate thesis and an unofficial report belongs to an initiative. Therefore, we can't talk about independent instances for this words. In Turkish Wikipedia some anonymous users have tried to create these type of articles for over a decade. They never give up.--Sabri76' talk 10:48, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
 * If there are three cites, is it still a proposal? Every one can publish a book - huh? So why is there a three-cites criterion here? Then the criteria of wiktionary for attestation won't work! You think someone from Sakarya University wrote a project report and someone from Gazi University wrote a postgraduate thesis and Pamukkale University founded a dictionary for just adding this word into wiktionary. Wow! All of them united against your opinion! --159.146.10.166 11:09, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
 * In my opinion self-published books should not count towards the three citation minimum. Vox Sciurorum (talk) 10:50, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
 * The word is not included in the dictionary of the Turksih Language Association. The first two citations appear to be about quadcopters. I can’t make out the sense from the third one. --Lambiam 20:50, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
 * , I think we've reached a consensus on this discussion.--Sabri76' talk 12:28, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

I've added more cites.--159.146.10.115 21:31, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
 * RFV-kept: This is tagged "(nonstandard, rare)", so no one gets fooled, and no harm is done. Citations exists at Citations:dikuçar, and no one explained why they are invalid. Opinions like "self-published books should not count" have no policy force; even Usenet counts. --Dan Polansky (talk) 20:32, 21 September 2022 (UTC)