Talk:disappeared

disappeared
Is the adjective really distinct from the past participle? --WikiTiki89 12:40, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Not in my opinion. DCDuring TALK 14:23, 20 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes, of course. As in Argentina's National Committee on Disappeared People. Ƿidsiþ 14:28, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Ok, I'll withdraw my request. But can someone add some usage examples or cites? --WikiTiki89 15:13, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't see why. I think just about any past participle or a transitive verb can be used as a predicate or attributively, retaining the senses of the verb. I think past participles of intransitive verbs can only be used as predicates. IOW I think this is a feature of English grammar.
 * The transitive use of disappear is relatively new, not appearing in Websters 1913, Century 1913, or Webster's 2nd. I think this relative novelty makes folks notice its usage. That a contributor would want to give a just-noticed phenomenon more prominence than as a usage example for a sense of the lemma is something we should expect based on experience here with such contributions. DCDuring TALK 16:23, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
 * First you say it's a regular part of English grammar, then you say it's a new usage, which is it? Actually, while any past participle could be used adjectivally, many are not, and some (like disappeared:) have only arisen in the last 100 years. It all seems like something that a good dictionary should keep track of. Ƿidsiþ 17:11, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, first I said something about one topic, then I said something different about a related topic.
 * Use of a past participle of any transitive verb both attributively and as predicate is part of grammar, I think.
 * The transitive use of disappear is newish.
 * The second point is just to support my musing on why contributors (including myself) notice and want to add such entries, sometimes without regard to lemmas and normal grammar. DCDuring TALK 17:39, 20 October 2012 (UTC)