Talk:eikä

Where to put the sense "nor"
We detail the use of this term in the sense "nor, and not" at, which seems a little strange as -kä is by no means productive in forming "nor" phrases. It's an idiomatic phenomenon only found in one unusual verb's six inflections. Though that is mentioned on the page, I think the way we do it is inconsistent and misleading. Additionally, this is a usability issue – -kä is not where the reader will be looking for this information when they first encounter an etkä in a text. brittletheories (talk) 11:01, 19 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Well, to be fair, as a learner/reader you don't immediately recognise clitics like -kaan, -kin either, yet creating a form-of entry for all terms with these clitics seems unreasonable.
 * I think an important question is: Is this the same term as the interrogative clitic (in mikä, and more relevant for me, the Ingrian interrogative -k), or are these different clitics after all? I also don't know how we can really define these entries ("he/she/it doesn't ... either"?).
 * Anyway, it's an interesting thought, I wonder what the others think... Thadh (talk) 13:12, 19 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Yes, though the main difference between -kin and -kä is that one is productive and the other only goes with one verb, so the resulting entries are finite and quite few. brittletheories (talk) 13:19, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Also, interestingly, emphatic -kä is at least semi-produtive, forming words like "eikä", as in
 * "Söin juuri äitini."
 * "Eikä!"
 * or
 * "Eikä! Äitini söi juuri veljeni."
 * Dialectally, its productivity extends to many pronouns, such as jolle(k)ka and noille(k)ka. brittletheories (talk) 13:25, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I don't understand what the issue is - links to  just fine, where people can read how it's used. &mdash; S URJECTION  / T / C / L / 19:21, 19 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Made an effort to solve it. Have a look! --Hekaheka (talk) 20:00, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Someone should still add a table of the personal forms enkä, etkä, eikä, emmekä, ettekä, eivätkä; äläkä, älköönkä, älkäämmekä, älkääkä, älköötkä --Hekaheka (talk) 09:05, 20 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Added a primitive-looking inflection table. I don't think it is a problem if we have information repeated under "eikä" and "-kä". --Hekaheka (talk) 10:18, 21 August 2022 (UTC)