Talk:either

Is the sense "each" non-standard? It seems to contradict the sense of "one or other" (but not both). &mdash; Paul G 11:00, 24 Jun 2004 (UTC)
 * I don't know such a sense? Can you give examples? &mdash; Hippietrail 12:21, 24 Jun 2004 (UTC)


 * I've checked - this is acceptable usage. I give an example in the page ("a door at either end of the room" = "a door at each end of the room") &mdash; Paul G 08:56, 25 Jun 2004 (UTC)


 * Oh you should've said, yes I know this usage. It's a different sense since it actually means "both" rather than "each", and of course only works with two things. &mdash; Hippietrail 11:05, 25 Jun 2004 (UTC)

SAMPA needs to be corrected. &mdash; Paul G 11:00, 24 Jun 2004 (UTC)
 * I've improved the pronunciation section. &mdash; Hippietrail 12:21, 24 Jun 2004 (UTC)


 * Thanks. &mdash; Paul G 08:56, 25 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Is "either" also an adverb, as in "I don't like him and I don't like her either"? &mdash; Paul G 11:15, 24 Jun 2004 (UTC)
 * I guess so. It has such a specific set of grammatical functions that it's hard to put it in generic categories. If it weren't in a western European language it would probably be called a particle... &mdash; Hippietrail 12:21, 24 Jun 2004 (UTC)


 * Again, I've checked, and this is the case. I'll put it in now. &mdash; Paul G 08:56, 25 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Pronunciations
My pronunciation might just be Americanized, but as a Canadian, I use both pronunciations interchangeably. I am about to remove the tags because after the addition of Canada, they are going to be the exact same. —Internoob (Disc•Cont) 23:12, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Why are there two pronunciations of either?
As this can be a heated topic, I feel that I best give all that I know right off the bat in the table below.

I would have to assume that, sometime after the early stages of the Great Vowel Shift, and before the meet-meat merger, the /eɪ/ in /eɪðɚ/ would have monophthongized to /eː/. Individual words do  sometimes shift. Anyway, this is what I know. From other sources, like dictionary.reference.com, it is said that until the nineteenth century, the standard pronunciation of either  was /iːðɝ/. So, how did the pronunciation /aɪːðɝ/ come to be?

I have heard the story: "Queen Victoria married a German who brought over the /aɪ/. In German, 'ei' is pronounced /aɪ/, and the word is spelt with 'ei'." However, around the Web somebody refuted the idea saying that German cognate is pronounced something like yay-duh. So, if the Queen's spouse was keeping true to his native language, he would have probably pronounced the word as something like /eɪðə/, closer to the German cognate. Also, other words spelt with "ei" never shifted, like received, weight, etc. (except the word neither, derived from either). The only other word that I can think of where "ei" is pronounced as /aɪ/(excluding proper names) is height. However, in Middle English, it was sometimes spelt "hight," suggesting it was pronounced /hiːxt/. So, the origin of their pronunciations have nothing to do with each other. And I am still left confused. Therefore, I humbly ask for clarity. I thank you in advance.


 * Doubtful. First, the German words for either are entweder or jeder, so no /aɪ/ there. Second, how a foreigner, even a king, pronounces an English word usually does not influence native pronunciation. Third, in earlier times, the written language did not have much effect on the spoken language, since many or most people did not read or write, and since there was not that much material to be read anyway. But in the spoken language, vowel shifts are not uncommon, and the English language underwent the Great Vowel Shift in the 1500s (extending through the 1700s). The word either in Middle English was pronounced [ˈæːjðər]. The vowel sequence [æːj] was not much affected by the Great Vowel Shift (which mainly affected the pure vowels aː, eː, iː, oː, uː and a, e, i, o, u), but soon after the main shift (but before the main shift was completed), a secondary shift caused the pronunciation of [æːj] to change to [iː], and then a third small shift soon after affected the pronunciation of [æːj] (which was still in the process of changing), changing the pronunciation of [æːj] to [aɪ] (hence [ˈaɪðɚ]). So large areas eventually adopted the pronunciation [ˈɪːðɚ], while some areas wound up with [ˈaɪðɚ]. The pockets in the U.S. where either is pronounced [ˈaɪðɚ] were created by settlers who originated in those areas of England where [ˈaɪðɚ] was the predominant pronunciation. —Stephen (Talk) 05:32, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

Although I don't believe the story of Queen Victoria's spouse either, it is a  story told. And I simply have it here only so that somebody did not give the story as a response. However, fortunately, you, sir, and I both agree that this story cannot be true. However, I am still a little confused. That being said, do you, sir, happen to have another example, excluding derived forms of either, where [æːj] became either [iː] or [aɪ]? That would be helpful. Thank you.74.102.216.186 15:30, 1 November 2016 (UTC)
 * For one problem, unfortunately an unavoidable inconsistency, sometimes the alteration of the diphthongs, including [æːj], are considered a part of the Great Vowel Shift, and other times they aren't. But if we wish to say they aren't, then that's fine.  I have no objection.
 * Secondly, [æːj] in many other words such as day, vain, and weigh shifted to [eɪ].


 * The German story makes no sense, of course, but if it were true it could only have been spelling-based. The German person would have read out "either" with a diphthong because of German spelling conventions: the spelling "ei" being pronounced or archaic/regional . It has nothing to do with cognates because the related words "jeder" and "weder" have no "ei" in the first place, and they are also used rather differently from English "either", so people don't easily realise them to be cognates at all. Queen Victoria married Prince Albert in 1840. The pronunciation is without doubt much older. 90.186.170.236 10:17, 9 April 2019 (UTC)

Any
"When there are more than two alternatives, "any" is used instead."

What does it mean? So I'm supposed to say "Any you eat your dinner or go to your room or go outisde"? According to the any entry in this dictionary, any isn't a conjunction, so how can it replace either in this sense? Maybe add some explanation, person who added this nonsensical information?


 * No, you say "choose any of these three things", but "choose either of these two things". Equinox ◑ 18:47, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

He's very good with children and no slouch around the house either
Slouch: somebody who will not or cannot do something well (informal) (usually used in negative statements) He's very good with children and no slouch around the house either Microsoft® Encarta® 2009 What meaning is used in this example? --Backinstadiums (talk) 11:51, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
 * It's the adverb use, as in the example given. Your sentence is unusual in that 'no slouch' is positive in meaning, and is coordinated with another positive term, so you would expect 'too', as in: good with children and helpful in the house too. But evidently the word 'no' makes it formally negative and therefore allows the negative form 'either'. --80.169.223.146 12:02, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

unexceptionable even when it applies to more than two clauses.
When either is used as a conjunction no paraphrase with any is available, and so either is unexceptionable even when it applies to more than two clauses. https://ahdictionary.com/word/search.html?q=either --Backinstadiums (talk) 19:14, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
 * However, OR (conjunction) Used to indicate the second of two alternatives, the first being preceded by either/whether --Backinstadiums (talk) 12:09, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
 * https://oed.com/oed2/00072739 --Backinstadiums (talk) 20:57, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

1. Any one (of two).
However, any is definited as "at least one" --Backinstadiums (talk) 08:38, 23 August 2021 (UTC)