Talk:encik

Etymology of Indonesian & Malay "encik"/"encek"
Hi, I noticed that you added the entry and etymology for 🇨🇬. Me and some friends were wondering if there is always a difference in 🇨🇬 and 🇨🇬 or they can also be interchangeable spellings? and if they were all inherited from 🇨🇬? I made the entry for 🇨🇬 using info from SEAlang Library Indonesia. Pls check my edits as a native Indonesian speaker. Also, is the "elder sister" definition from also a regional thing? We have been recently looking into the Hokkien etymology of likewise cognates in the region, as per 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬,. We think that these entries that have the meaning close to "(Chinese) uncle" are related to 🇨🇬, which we have found some old and modern extant sources attesting to it. We were wondering why there is also a female definition in these sorts of entries? Is this like a regional definition that got applied after the original gender was lost and got generalized, and then maybe it became female in those regions?? or it has something to do with 🇨🇬--Mlgc1998 (talk) 02:44, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi. Well, split of [i] and [e] is a recent phenomenon as this reflected in many cognates in Austronesian languages. So, while both are not interchangeable today, both are interchangeable in the past. In regard of definition, all definition are regional thing (such as 🇨🇬) as the first one most likely prevalent in Malay-speaking area, while the third one prevalent in Javanese-speaking areas such as in my place. On the 🇨🇬, I agree that is one part of the Indonesian word etymology with note of rareness of /í/ to [ə] vowel change. In other hand, I would rather attribute the female schoolteacher and elder sister sense to 🇨🇬 with /a/ to [ə] vowel change, rather than to 🇨🇬 or 🇨🇬. --Xbypass (talk) 05:38, 31 January 2022 (UTC)