Talk:ethnic music

ethnic music
Seems like sum of parts to me, like "ethnic food" or "ethnic beliefs". An encyclopaedia topic rather than a dictionary entry? Equinox ◑ 03:19, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
 * The second definition is not SoP since "ethnic" doesn't mean "traditional or folk". I've added four cites to that (and this and this strongly imply the same meaning without any really citeable quote). I'd argue the first definition is also not SoP because the relevant definition of ethnic includes religion, and no one would consider something like Gregorian chanting "ethnic music". There are, I think, more specific uses out there too, like IIRC in early 20th century America, "ethnic music" was a marketing category exclusively for urban immigrants of Eastern European origin, I'll see if I can find a cite for that too. WurdSnatcher (talk)
 * There is also the third definition of ethnic -- "ethnic" can mean "heathen" but ethnic music is not the music of heathens. I realize that sense is dated, but ethnic music is kind of a dated term too. WurdSnatcher (talk)
 * Found something similar to that other meaning I was referring to, just one cite at the moment, but it is also not SoP, referring to a specific body of recordings. WurdSnatcher (talk)
 * If this is to be a dictionary rather than an encyclopedia, then the linguistic evidence already in the entry should be taken seriously:
 * the proliferation of definitions is highly supportive of the proposition that almost any construal of ethnic + music is possible
 * that ethnic appears in coordination with other terms modifying music in some of the citations demonstrates that it is not a set term.
 * To this can be added the general point that no fine argument about the alleged idiomaticity of a particular definition has any merit whatsoever in the absence of citations that clearly demonstrate that the definition in question is actually in use. DCDuring TALK 13:20, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I've found two more cites for the fourth definition, which clearly refer to a specific genre of polka-based "ethnic music" that declined in the 1950s (which can't be in reference to the other meanings, since folk/traditional, foreign and ethnicity-based music all became more popular in the 50s, not less). WurdSnatcher (talk) 16:13, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Upon further research, I decided to move the "folk/traditional music" meaning (slightly adapted to ethnic), since that can be used in reference to art and other subjects. That still leaves the fourth and most specific/idiomatic meaning remaining. I realize some would prefer to combine the first three defs, which I guess I'm fine with but I think it is easier to understand this way. WurdSnatcher (talk)
 * Delete per DCDuring. - -sche (discuss) 03:16, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep: My image of "ethnic music" is defined by (the atmosphere generated by) the instruments used (flutes, percussion, etc) and style of melody and does not have to originate or be based on the music of a particular "ethnic group". —suzukaze (t・c) 06:52, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

No consensus to delete. bd2412 T 19:44, 5 October 2015 (UTC)