Talk:evaluativism

This word was harvested from Philisophical Studies, 2009 (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/User:Visviva/Philosophical_Studies_200903) Silversalt (talk) 15:38, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

RFV discussion: March–July 2015
Rfv-sense: "(pejorative) Discrimination against evaluative diversity through segregation, prejudice, or disregard of people with differing values. "

Both of the citations verify sense 2 (the philosophical position that the difference between worldviews is too fundamental to be resolved by rational argument). This sense suggests some sort of hypernym of sexism, racism etc, which I can't find any citations of. Smurrayinchester (talk) 13:30, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Your paraphrase of sense 2 is not specifically epistemic. Field clarifies that he uses the word with two senses here (you seem to be rolling them into one):

In the realm of epistemology, evaluativism merely amounts to skepticism of others' beliefs (which is no more harmful than general skepticism), but evaluativism about morals amounts to rejecting others as members of the community of moral agents (and that creates social conflict). To call someone an evaluativist about morals is pejorative, like calling someone sexist or racist; it comes off as an accusation aimed to diminish trust in the accused.

On page 143, Field refers to a certain treatment directed at all Moonies as evaluativist. That's more than just taking a philosophical position--here the epistemic position has bled into a social behavior like religionism. Silversalt (talk) 21:30, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
 * That citation doesn't provide evidence for two meanings of evaluativism. The rest of the cite makes clear it's about the use of the same philosophical tools, but in different fields of philosophy. The full quote regarding Moonies is:
 * in dealing with a follower of the the Reverend Moon, we may find that too little is shared for a neutral evaluation of anything to be possible, and we may have no interest in the evaluations that the Moonie gives. The fact that he gives them then provides no impetus whatever to revise our own evaluations, so the sceptical argument has no force from an evaluativist perspective.
 * Nothing in there suggests that evaluativist means "Person who discriminates on the basis of worldviews". Smurrayinchester (talk) 07:13, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I think it is strongly implied that Field does not have a particular Moonie in mind, but is referring to the (then) common practice of shunning all Moonies because of the Moonie worldview. Others might refer to that practice as religionism. Silversalt (talk) 13:32, 3 March 2015 (UTC)


 * If this fails RFV, whoever deletes it should remember to remove it from the few pages that link to it, and clean up (remove the coordinate terms section of) evaluativist. - -sche (discuss) 02:33, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
 * By the way, perusal of w:Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Evaluative diversity is informative. - -sche (discuss) 02:50, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

The other two citations that I thought intended to refer to evaluativism as a form of bigotry (specifically of bigotry against those who do not share our own values) were these: This is a relatively new technical philosophical term with few examples. We can wait to see whether additional authors use the term to refer to a form of bigotry (it is possible that some other term will be invented and used in its place). However, omitting the second sense (as though all philosophers are using only one sense) may misrepresent the term. For his part, Field seems to refer both to an objective hypothesis about the nature of disagreement, and to a moral stance on how one ought to treat various groups of people (e.g., Moonies). It is logically possible to accept the epistemic hypothesis without endorsing the moral stance. Other authors elaborate on evaluativism less, so it isn't as easy to prove that they conflate the senses, but I wouldn't be surprised if many of the citations on the citation page actually refer to evaluativism in both senses at once. Silversalt (talk) 17:51, 4 March 2015 (UTC)


 * RFV-failed. - -sche (discuss) 19:21, 7 July 2015 (UTC)