Talk:evvasilia

RFV discussion: May 2022–January 2023
Italian. Very few ghits, one potential hit in BGC (the rest look like duplicates or mentions). &mdash; S URJECTION / T / C / L / 15:30, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
 * The Italian term appears to have been introduced by Bartolomeo Cavalcanti, who writes that this is the term for “absolute monarchy” used by Aristotle. So one would expect this to be the transliteration of an Ancient Greek word, but no commonly used transliteration schema would produce vv or even a single v. (See e.g. .) There are two places where Aristotle uses a term that is conventionally translated as “absolute monarchy”: at the end of Book III Ch. xiv and the beginning of Book III Ch. xvi of . However, the term Aristotle uses is (See the term in LSJ.) The term evvasilia is a believable transliteration of Modern, but this word appears to be nonexistent, and if it existed, it would indicate a benign monarchy. The most plausible explanation is that Cavalcanti made a mistake.  --Lambiam 07:03, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
 * A book discussing Cavalcanti’s treatise, unfortunately offered only in snippet view, contains a note that reads:
 * “ 249, 12–13 chiamata da lui evvasilia (chiamato da lui ) ”.
 * This and the surrounding notes are obviously meant as corrections to Cavalcanti’s text. --Lambiam 10:04, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
 * The term occurs in a quotation of Cavalcanti (not an independent use) in the entry Regno of the 1849 edition of the Dizionario politico, nuovamente compilato ad uso della gioventù italiana. Cavalcanti’s text is not crystal clear and may create the incorrect impression that Aristotle imputes good things to this absolute monarchy. In fact, only Plato is to blame for venting the luminous thought – which he puts in Socrates’ mouth – that one-man rule by a superbly wise and good ruler is a Good Thing. However, Plato does not assign a name to this ideal absolute form of governance. The misunderstanding that Cavalcanti stated that evvasilia was a name used by Aristotle for a Good Thing found its way into the Grande dizionario della lingua italiana, and probably crept from there into the May 13 episode of the TV game show . It is a comedy of errors. --Lambiam 13:24, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
 * @Lambiam Related to the Good from the Republic? Theknightwho (talk) 00:05, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
 * I meant it in an ironic sense of the informal, totally non-philosophical term . --Lambiam 03:07, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
 * @Lambiam What I mean is that Plato is actually saying that it's a Good thing in the passage from the Republic that Cavalcanti is referring to. The words "great value of justice" are a total giveaway, because Plato elucidates the concept of the Good as a way to answer the question of what it means for a ruler to be just.
 * It feels plausible that there's been a mix-up between and Plato's specific use of, because they're both often translated in the same way (e.g. "la Forma del Bene"). Neither Plato nor Aristotle would have viewed them as interchangeable, though, which is why Plato talks about  and not Εὐπόλις, and why you won't find ευβασιλεία in any Ancient Greek texts. Theknightwho (talk) 17:13, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
 * RFV failed. Benwing2 (talk) 22:43, 31 January 2023 (UTC)