Talk:faith

Missing interjection
Also an interjection. "Faith, so I will!" etc. Equinox ◑ 14:49, 27 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes. Like in Macbeth, if I remember correctly. ( Ulftomme ) 2A00:1830:A001:F007:0:0:0:9 15:42, 22 May 2024 (UTC)


 * ✅ Equinox ◑ 15:50, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

Assent without proof
Now wait one second! Faith is assent without proof? That would imply that having a stance on a conjecture or scientific claim was an act of faith. "Proof" is limited to mathematics or definitional stretches such as is used in legal contexts.

Faith should be: "assent that is not contingent upon reason or justification." Qed 01:19, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Not in Christian theology. —Internoob (Disc•Cont) 03:58, 4 May 2010 (UTC)


 * In our every day lexicon, as well as Christian theology, the most common definition of faith is belief without full understanding, conviction without need for reason, trust in God without expecting it to "make sense". "Reason is the enemy of faith", “Reason is the greatest enemy that faith has; it never comes to the aid of spiritual things, but - more frequently than not - struggles against the divine Word, treating with contempt all that emanates from God”, “Faith is permitting ourselves to be seized by the things we do not see.” - Martin Luther. Fideism movement, "Reliance on faith alone rather than scientific reasoning or philosophy in questions of religion." "(I) urge... reliance on faith rather than reason, in matters philosophical and religious," - Alvin Plantinga. "For it is written: "I will destroy the wisdom of the wise; the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate. Where is the wise man? Where is the scholar? Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world?" 1 Corinthians 1:20. "We live by faith, not by sight." 2 Corinthians 5:7. "So we fix our eyes not on what is seen, but on what is unseen. For what is seen is temporary, but what is unseen is eternal." 2 Corinthians 4:18.  "Now faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see." Hebrews 11:1. It only makes sense that he most common definition of a word should be first in order. (Malinadams (talk) 15:10, 12 March 2012 (UTC))

Much of the definitions here are very similar and may be able to be combined for simplicity and clarity. (Malinadams (talk) 15:46, 12 March 2012 (UTC))


 * But this definition isn't really true. It's really supposed to be overlapped with the last definition; a trust or a belief in something that we do not have full proof of. The belief comes after an acceptance to take and undergo an experience. I'd like you to read this:

https://www.lds.org/scriptures/bofm/alma/32?lang=eng


 * I will heed to Qed's idea and change it. 128.187.97.19 21:11, 23 July 2013 (UTC)


 * That was a very bad definition, which fortunately has gone again. "Assent without proof" or "conviction without full understanding" were actually pretty good. Many religions (including Catholicism and Islam) actually claim that the sound and impartial use of reason more or less inevitably leads one to the true faith. Now that is an unproven claim, but so is the opposite claim of them being entirely unrelated or opposites. 89.14.40.3 01:09, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

on good faith
https://www.wordreference.com/es/en/translation.asp?spen=saber%20de%20buena%20tinta --Backinstadiums (talk) 16:15, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

RFC discussion: December 2020–February 2021
The hyponym list is classic Pass a Method cruft. There are so many different faiths that a truly representative list would be unwieldy, and PaM was never very good at deciding what's worthy of inclusion. Chuck Entz (talk) 14:41, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
 * It was tempting to add atheism, but I deleted the whole batch instead. Vox Sciurorum (talk) 14:40, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Seems to have been resolved. &mdash; surjection &lang;??&rang; 15:37, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

RFV discussion: July–August 2021
New sense 6: "An assertion of unreasonable conviction, that is assumed without reason, that is defended against all reason." Sounds a bit judgemental and may well be covered by existing senses such as #2. Equinox ◑ 14:36, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Regarding #2:
 * The process of forming or understanding abstractions, ideas, or beliefs, without empirical evidence, experience, or observation.
 * Is "faith" in these examples a process?? Mihia (talk) 19:39, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Is "faith" in these examples a process?? Mihia (talk) 19:39, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Is "faith" in these examples a process?? Mihia (talk) 19:39, 7 July 2021 (UTC)


 * No, I don't think so. But that is probably more a criticism of #2 than a support of the challenged sense (?). Equinox ◑ 06:01, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

RFV-failed Kiwima (talk) 22:28, 7 August 2021 (UTC)