Talk:feel froggish

RFD discussion: June–August 2018
Sum of parts. SemperBlotto (talk) 04:26, 24 June 2018 (UTC) Then there's the full phrase (seemingly the origin of these senses in general), "if you're feeling froggy, jump", which is almost always a challenge to fight, like "you want a piece of me". I think that one's covered by definition 1, "want to fight". At this point I'd agree to moving it all to froggy, with redirects at feel froggy and feeling froggy. I'm still not sure how to handle the froggy/froggish divide; 'froggy' seems way more common but the two solid cites I chose use 'froggish' (see feel froggish).--Father Goose (talk) 15:20, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Right now, froggish is only defined as resembling a frog...so if it is SoP we will want to add a relevant sense there. --SanctMinimalicen (talk) 04:37, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
 * It's plainly idiomatic, per Criteria for inclusion, as it doesn't mean "to feel like a frog" or "resemble a frog". In this idiomatic form, it's generally paired with "feeling": "he was feeling froggy" means he wanted to fight; "he was froggy" doesn't. Here's two more examples of its use (definition 1):  .--Father Goose (talk) 05:33, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Generally paired, no doubt- the alliteration sounds better. If you look long enough, though (especially on Usenet), you can find "get (all) froggish" or "be froggish" based on the same idea. If it were truly an idiomatic set phrase, you wouldn't see that. I also have my doubts that we've got two senses here. It looks to me like froggish would be better defined as something like "compelled to do something impulsive"- to "jump", metaphorically speaking. Chuck Entz (talk) 07:03, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
 * All right, with a Usenet search I'm starting to be convinced "getting froggy" is also common. I'd add your suggestion "want do something impulsive" as a sense, but it's not the same as "feel aggressive or hostile".  Here's an example that doesn't match with "impulsive": .  That use aligns with aggressive or bold; it's even closer to feel one's oats.  I've also seen froggy used/defined as "anxious" or even "horny".  Related senses all, but still distinct.


 * Never heard of it. Three senses?! Needs major cleanup anyway: #2 says being aggressive, but the cite doesn't seem to show this -- it's feeling, not being. The overall sense seems perhaps to be a pun along the lines of "act like a banana and split": if you feel froggish, then hop/leap/take action: shit or get off the pot...? Equinox ◑ 01:21, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm glad you said that--that's the sense I had when I initially looked at it. --SanctMinimalicen (talk) 01:43, 25 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Taking Chuck's and Goose's comments into account: "if you feel froggy/ish, jump" would explain fighting ("they jumped me in an alley") and also sex ("I want to jump his bones"). Equinox ◑ 04:06, 25 June 2018 (UTC)


 * I'd never heard of it either, but from the usage on Google Books I think it's AAVE or maybe (US) Southern and AAVE. Of course, there's a lot of AAVE that finds it's way into mainstream slang these days... Chuck Entz (talk) 02:01, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

Here's a modern use which I'd say verges on "amped up": "Started feeling REALLY froggy so I slapped another ten lbs on it and got 145x3 fairly easily - bam." (Oh, and look, we're missing amped up, which is a thing: .)
 * Here's a North Carolina newspaper from 1955 identifying it as "mountain speech". The earliest cite I can find is in Herman Wouk's novel Aurora Dawn from 1947 ("Now jump, if you still feel froggy").  It's voiced by a character from West Virginia.  Wouk from the Bronx, but maybe he picked it up in the service.


 * My guess is that it started with the "You wanna fight?" stock phrase, then became "wanting to fight", then got diluted to "aggressive", and even to just "energetic".--Father Goose (talk) 05:27, 26 June 2018 (UTC)


 * All right, I've moved the content to froggy and froggish and tweaked it based on the above discussion.--Father Goose (talk) 04:42, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

Redirected. Per utramque cavernam 14:14, 2 August 2018 (UTC)