Talk:fire

There seems to be something wrong with the Fire article:


 * http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Fire

Every time I go to that page, it abruptly causes my browser (IE 6) to close. Is the page corrupted somehow? &mdash;Stephen 14:58, 16 Mar 2005 (UTC)


 * I haven't had any problems with it and I've been on it a lot recently. catseyes


 * Thanks. I've tried over and over to see the Fire page, and just now I tried again ... I cannot even view it. It starts to open, and then I get a message that an unknown error has occurred and that my browser has to close. I've never had this happen before with any other page on the Internet. (I'm using IE 6 in Windows 2000 with all the updates installed.) Very strange!! &mdash;Stephen 10:45, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)


 * I'm also using IE 6 in Windows 2000 and it works fine here. A little slow to load maybe. &mdash; Hippietrail 10:58, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Reason for crash discovered!
I have finally discovered the culprit that causes the Fire article to crash everytime I try to view it. It's the two Laotian characters on the page (either one of them will do it). I don't understand why they have this effect, but my Windows 2000 does not like them! Not only will a Laotian letter shut down my Wiktionary window, it will also cause my MS Word to close. If I try to google a Laotian letter, my browser (IE 6) closes. If I so much as google the two English words < Lao Unicode >, it will cause my browser to shut down. I looked in my Control Panel to see if I could load Laotian, but it's not available in my software. (Yet I have no trouble at all with Thai, and I even have a Thai keyboard and numerous Thai fonts. Go figure!) &mdash;Stephen 09:48, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Crashing rectified!
I have finally resolved the problem of Laotian characters causing my browser, word-processor and other programs to shut down. I downloaded and installed a more recent version of USP10.dll, which is a shaping engine for complex scripts (such as Laotian). I placed a copy of USP10.dll in the same folder as my IEXPLORE.exe, so that it takes precedence over the older version in my system folder, and now I can view and open the Fire article without any problem at all. &mdash;Stephen 15:22, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)


 * Amazing. Glad to hear you resolved it, and glad to hear it wasn't something wrong with Wiktionary.  --Connel MacKenzie 15:33, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Korean etymology removed
I removed the proposed Korean cognate term from the etymology. It appears that User:KYPark has been adding them to many other articles as well. I find that quite nonsensical as no linguist considers English and Korean to be related. | hyark 13:28, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

Usage
Does anyone have an example of "To set (something) on fire" being used? I've never heard anyone say "fire the timbers" or anything like that; is it a non-American usage? Citizen Premier 19:03, 6 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Done. Andrew massyn 15:10, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Verb
Sense 5 & sense 2 (of weapons) seems to be the same. They both look like transitive verbs to me. Andrew massyn 14:14, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Crimean Tatar

 * fir

Shouldn’t the Crimean Tatar section be under fire? If not, why not? H. (talk) 13:18, 7 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Under fire. Fixed. —Stephen 10:21, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Classical element
Definition 5 is ”one of the classical elements” and it’s marked with the tags ”China, India and Japan”. Aren’t these tags supposed to be used for the varieties of English spoken in these countries? One can refer to one of the classical elements and still be from the US for example, I think they’re mis-placed and should be included in the definition instead. --Lundgren8 (t · c) 07:43, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

Turkish Addition
I'm not that experienced as an editor of Wikipedia, but I've made minor changes to articles here and there. When I discovered that "fire" means something entirely different in Turkish than it does in English, I wanted to get that information added to this page. [It means shrinkage (as in retail loss) in Turkish.] I attempted to edit this page and add it, but I'm just not familiar with how this page is set up or how to add an entry for Turkish. If it helps legitimize this request to have it added, I have two sources for my information -- WordReference (http://www.wordreference.com/tren/fire) and Tureng (http://tureng.com/search/shrinkage).

RFD discussion: June 2018–January 2019
Rfd-redundant interjection sense 2 ("A signal to shoot") -- this is just verb sense 6 being used in the imperative, not a separate interjection Pppery (talk) 19:25, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

Moved this from above. Per utramque cavernam 11:25, 5 September 2018 (UTC)


 * I cannot see any basis on which this particular imperative should have a separate entry. It could be "Run!", "Jump!", "Stop!", "Duck!" or anything. There seems nothing special about "Fire!". Therefore delete. Mihia (talk) 21:40, 13 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Weak delete per Mihia. - -sche (discuss) 20:11, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete; this is simply the imperative. -Stelio (talk) 12:51, 18 January 2019 (UTC)

RFD discussion: August–September 2018
Rfd-redundant: "A cry of distress indicating that something is on fire, or that there is a fire"

AFAICT it is only relative frequency grounds that distinguish this from, say, shark or grenade or ''gun (none of which have such a definition. DCDuring (talk) 19:12, 17 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Above has been moved from Requests for deletion/Non-English. S URJECTION ·talk·contr·log· 19:14, 17 August 2018 (UTC) (section title also renamed so that rfd-redundant could work)
 * Delete. I'm also not a fan of having a noun and an imperative under the same header. ←₰-→ Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk)  07:10, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Abstain: the French translation of sense 1 is !, the translation of sense 2 is  ! alone. Don't know if it's worth documenting. Per utramque cavernam 12:11, 22 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Weak delete per nom; I'm open to reconsidering if there are more idiomatic translations (would the French yell "ours!" or "au ours!" if they spot a bear?) or other arguments for keeping. DCDuring makes a compelling point that you can do this with many words for threats; US police semi-notoriously yell "gun!" anytime they spot something that could be a gun, people yell "bomb!" if they spot a bomb, "bear!" if they spot a bear, etc. But then, isn't sense 2 in the same boat? You yell "fire!" to command people to fire, like you yell "halt" to command them to halt, or yell "go", or in these very discussions "keep" or "delete". Hmm... - -sche (discuss) 05:03, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
 * au ours doesn't work phonetically, it would be à l'ours :p. But no, neither "ours !" or "à l'ours !" is used; I'd say "" or something like that.
 * And I wouldn't say "bombe !" / "à la bombe !" or "fusil !" / "au fusil !" either. It's not productive in French. Per utramque cavernam 11:11, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

Remark

 * : To come back to my remark about à l'ours !: although I wouldn't say that or au loup !, I'm starting to wonder whether isn't etymologically crier « au loup ! ». PUC – 18:46, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

RFD discussion: August–November 2018

 * See Talk:Delete.