Talk:fuck that shit

fuck that shit
SoP. Note that [[fuck]] already has "fuck this shit" as a usex. &#x200b;—msh210℠ 19:01, 8 April 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm almost tempted to keep it as a general interjection of disapproval, but then we'd have to add damn it all, damn it all to hell, damn you, this sucks, this sucks the bag, etc. Maybe we should consider listing common collocations in-line, as other dictionaries do. Perhaps saving paper isn't the only reason to do that. —Michael Z. 2010-04-08 19:24 z 
 * If this is SoP, what are the parts? Mglovesfun (talk) 19:32, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
 * The sense of fuck I refer to above (i.e., the one with the usex I quote, whose definition line reads "") and the sense of shit whose definition line reads "rubbish; worthless matter". And the obvious sense of that. &#x200b;—msh210℠ 19:37, 8 April 2010 (UTC)


 * [edit conflict] fuck (v.8 “To lose care for, to forget, to no longer regard as important”) + that (det.1 “the [thing] being indicated”) + shit (n. take your pick: sense 3, 4, 6, or maybe 8 or 9). It may be hard determine an exact sense for each usage. —Michael Z. 2010-04-08 19:40 z 


 * NB fuck this is a similar case. I'd be happy to create fuck this shit and fuck that too. --Rising Sun talk? contributions 19:57, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
 * to hell with it and to heck with it seem like valid entries. Do other dictionaries have them? Mglovesfun (talk) 11:19, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
 * to hell with it and to heck with it seem like valid entries to me as well. They both pick just one meaning of hell and have an overall meaning that may not be readily discerned by an English speaking listener who hadn't encountered the term before. Facts707 07:06, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
 * They are also idioms because the speaker doesn't really expect "it" to go to "hell". An English speaking listener who hadn't heard the term before could not really say if it meant "this should go to a really hot place" (maybe in a furnace?). Facts707 07:14, 19 April 2010 (UTC)


 * delete Also recommend delete of fuck this because it doesn't just limit the expression to "express displeasure with", but could also mean "have sex with" (this object/me/another person). So, an English speaking person could not definitely say what "fuck this" means without knowing more context in which it was said. I'm equally doubtful of fuck that shit, since anything that is encouraged to be "fucked" would likely be interpreted by the listener as either "nonsense" or "worthless" since the other meanings (poo, marijuana, etc.) would not make sense - and it is not clear which of "nonsense" or "worthless", so the phrase really doesn't narrow the meaning of shit sufficiently. Although "fuck" is probably assumed to be the sense "used to emphasize displeasure with someone or something".  So, overall, "shit" is not adding any special new meaning here and therefore the entry should be deleted. Examples in fuck are sufficient to explain these usages. Sorry for saying fuck and shit so much in one post! Facts707 06:11, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

Deleted. &#x200b;—msh210℠ 16:44, 2 June 2010 (UTC)