Talk:get the better of

RFV
Rfv-sense: to influence heavily; to tend to control or persuade. I am unfamiliar with this sense, except possibly as included in the two other senses. DCDuring TALK 20:07, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I would think it would more like "to trick" or "to con". I think there is substantial authority for this meaning, and I don't think it falls under the senses of "overwhelming" or "having an advantage over". bd2412 T 20:28, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Which sense substantial authority? The challenged one or the one yet to be added? DCDuring TALK 21:15, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I guess I was thinking of the challenged sense as a poorly worded attempt to enunciate the sense I was discussing. bd2412 T 21:19, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I detect overlap but vastly prefer your sense. I'm still not sure your proposed sense is more than "especially" to one or both of the other senses. DCDuring TALK 21:31, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Altered per this discussion. - -sche (discuss) 02:29, 11 October 2011 (UTC)