Talk:gossock

RFV discussion: May 2019–April 2020
A remarkably specific word from. —Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 02:14, 3 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Well there's 3 attestations, I'm honestly in a bit of a physical pain today and totally exhausted so if you could help cleanup the article in general I would really appreciate it.--Sigehelmus (talk) 02:28, 3 May 2019 (UTC)


 * All three are mentioning the word, not using it. Equinox ◑ 13:50, 3 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Additionally, they do not genuinely attest the very specific meaning. It might as well mean “a gaunt, red-haired inhabitant of Kirkcudbrightshire”, or simply “an attendant” – how could one tell? --Lambiam 16:20, 3 May 2019 (UTC)
 * ,, just saw this again sorry, I honestly just copied the definition from . I don't know anything further beyond that.--Sigehelmus (talk) 19:23, 3 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Also see these two links:  The second claims gossock is a synonym of "Creenie"; the definition is unclear but seems to refer to immigrants from a part of Ulster facing Galloway. I have no idea what to think.--Sigehelmus (talk) 19:27, 3 May 2019 (UTC)
 * There are attestations in the plural, but they're capitalized. It also can be found as gossok in the Scottish National Dictionary. I'm wondering whether we're dealing with mentions in English of an obsolete Scots word. Chuck Entz (talk) 19:39, 3 May 2019 (UTC)
 * And according to the entry in the Scottish National Dictionary it is a slur, like for instance and . At the very least, that should be noted.  --Lambiam 20:11, 3 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Nice find! Hmm, this is perplexing. I am looking further, I wonder if there are any people alive in the area who still use or at least know of the term. And considering the cultural context I would be very surprised if it was used in any way but tongue-in-cheek. Edit: I double down on my last sentence considering that. But is this an insult that has been used sincerely in the past century? --Sigehelmus (talk) 20:14, 3 May 2019 (UTC)
 * this dialect dictionary attests "gossok" as possibly obsolete, applied "in derision" to an "old type" of inhabitant of Galloway: and this book attests the term was "still current" in 19th century and synonymous with capitalized Kreenie/Creenie:  --Sigehelmus (talk) 20:22, 3 May 2019 (UTC)
 * If you look at the Scottish National Dictionary, you'll notice that it cites the same dialect dictionary as its source. I don't think Wright considered Scots as distinct from English. Chuck Entz (talk) 20:35, 3 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Ahh the old debate. Should it be relisted as Scots only or both languages? And what should be the proper definition(s)? --Sigehelmus (talk) 20:50, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

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