Talk:gunfire

RFV discussion
Rfv-sense Does gunfire really mean the report or sound of gunshots? — lexicógrafa &#124; háblame — 23:19, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Interesting. We could have at least one definition for each of the applicable senses of perception for each real-world object. "The smell of the smoke from the firing of guns", "taste"???, "the sight of the smoke and/or muzzle flash from the firing of guns", "the feeling of the firing of heavy artillery as transmitted via the ground", "The feel of a gun one has fired; recoil."
 * I think this is an example of the kind of real-world knowledge that is involved in determining what words mean in context. Specifying it in detail is unnecessary for humans with the kind of real-world knowledge involved. DCDuring TALK 00:24, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, Google Books does in fact bring up good results for 'smell', 'hear', 'taste', 'see' and 'feel' each paired with 'gunfire', but I agree with your last statement. — lexicógrafa &#124; háblame — 15:13, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
 * When you say 'heard the gunfire' it refers to the gunfire itself, doesn't it? Same 'I heard a car go past' refers to the actual car, in particular the moment it is going past. Move to RFD. Mglovesfun (talk) 15:24, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Even though there will be instances of "gunfire on the radio" or "gunfire" being used to label a recorded sound, it all seems to indicate a standard kind of metonymy that would never merit a separate sense. There might be some cases where the perception of a thing would rise to merit a separate sense from the thing itself, but not this kind, IMO. DCDuring TALK 16:10, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Belongs at RFD, I suppose. Delete. &#x200b;—msh210℠ (talk) 15:42, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
 * It belongs at RfD. Delete. DCDuring TALK 16:10, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

Striking per me, msh210 and DCDuring. Moving to rfd. Mglovesfun (talk) 16:44, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

gunfire
rfd-sense: "The report, or loud sound that shooting a gun creates." This was originally listed at RFV but the consensus was to move it here. Also, it does appear to be attestable. Rationale: the gunfire and the perception of gunfire aren't separate senses, no more than "heard a dog" or "smelt" a dog would justify the senses of dog "the sounds caused by dogs" or "the odor of a dog". Mglovesfun (talk) 16:52, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
 * At RFV, DCDuring and I said to delete it. I, and presumably he (this was today), still say so. Lexicografía also seemed to be saying as much. &#x200b;—msh210℠ (talk) 17:00, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete. Mglovesfun (talk) 17:01, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Indeed, delete. — lexicógrafa &#124; háblame — 18:01, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete. Pingku 23:35, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete —Internoob (Disc•Cont) 04:25, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
 * The initial version of this definition had the example sentence "Let's hide in the trees to avoid the gunfire." which seems to clearly refer to the gunfire itself, not the perception of it. Mglovesfun (talk) 20:24, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

Deleted. Well, kind of merged, really. DAVilla 16:02, 21 December 2010 (UTC)