Talk:guter Hoffnung sein

RFD discussion: December 2020–December 2021
German: “ to be pregnant”. Tagged by 2003:de:373f:4069:b534:361e:8aeb:9907 on 22 December 2020, not listed: “SOP? guter Hoffnung + sein”. J3133 (talk) 16:51, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, redundant to, hard-redirect. Fay Freak (talk) 01:37, 24 December 2020 (UTC) The German Wiktionary entries was likely motivated by the fact that some idioms like meaning “to be pregnant” need a verb. But the cases must be regarded in isolation. Fay Freak (talk) 01:39, 24 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Abstain. There's guter Hoffnung. I'm open to the idea of having the complete expression. I'd just need a little more convincing. &mdash; Dentonius 12:03, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Rather than delete, why not just Redirect? --Lambiam 16:02, 24 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Guter Hoffnung is unspecific, guter Hoffnung sei has a very special meaning, more than SOP. I am in favor of redirecting the meaning 2 (pregnant) from guter Hoffnung to page guter Hoffnung sein. Herr de Worde (talk) 11:21, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * The article includes this special meaning already. Fytcha (talk) 11:53, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Redirect. One can also say etc., there's nothing to be gained from keeping standalone articles for all these Adv.+Verb phrases. Fytcha (talk) 11:58, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Strictly speaking, guter Hoffnung is also the sum of its parts and not an idiom. Delete that. Cape of Good Hope may be a proper word, but otherwise: Guter Dinge, ohne Hoffnung ... everything can be freely combined. Herr de Worde (talk) 14:34, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I disagree. is not a SOP because, apart from its SOP meaning (of good hope), it also means something that can not be derived from its parts (pregnant). WT:SOP states: "An expression is idiomatic if its full meaning cannot be easily derived from the meaning of its separate components. Non-idiomatic expressions are called sum-of-parts (SOP)." Even considering that the current SOP policy is pretty restrictive, there's no doubt that  does not fall under it. Fytcha (talk) 14:48, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
 * As I see it, we both mean the same thing, just want to delete somewhere else.
 * Good hope --> SOP; pregnant --> idom. OK?
 * So wouldn't it be better to leave the phrase guter Hoffnung sein and delete guter Hoffnung (with 2 incompatible meanings) instead? Guter Hoffnung werden is only a theoretical variant (of ... sein) and it is unusual. When should someone say that? "Sie wird guter Hoffnung werden?" This is not euphemistic, but screwed. Never heard. But that's just my humble opinion. If I misunderstood, I apologize. Do what you wanna do. Regards Herr de Worde (talk) 16:51, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Google Books has results for sie wurde guter Hoffnung (past) and sie wird guter Hoffnung (historical present; rare). --Myrelia (talk) 17:08, 28 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Redirect as per WT:Redirections, a) 3. and maybe b) 1.? --Myrelia (talk) 15:10, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

RFD-failed; hard-redirected. --Fytcha (talk) 15:44, 17 December 2021 (UTC)