Talk:gyration

Not a valid root
regarding your edit, can you explain why it is “not a valid root”? Thanks. — SGconlaw (talk) 04:25, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
 * @Sgconlaw Because in Proto-Indo-European, was a suffix attached to roots. It was not an independent root.
 * Usually, PIE roots could not be used on their own, but rather were the stem of certain words, and would form an independent word if a suffix was attached to them. They also had an independent meaning, such as (alternatively *geu-) meaning to curve or bend. However, this is not the case with suffixes like, which could not create an independent word however many suffixes were attached to it; these would only create more suffixes. Suffixes had to be attached to the end of a word (such as a root) and didn't have an independent meaning of their own. Although  is indeed derived from a root , it isn't a root in itself, because it itself is not the stem of any word.
 * Let's take a real-life example. gyr- is the stem of the word . If a suffix like is added to it, we get.
 * But, you cannot derive a word from the suffix itself using only suffixes. No matter how hard you try, you won't get a word unless you add some word stem with some meaning.
 * Similarly, in Proto-Indo-European, suffixes like were not true roots, or stems of words. They were merely appended to stems (roots), and could not form an independent word unless a root was added to them.
 * However, roots like, *geu- were the stems of words, and could be made into words if the appropriate suffixes were added.
 * Therefore, is not a valid PIE root. Instead, it is an action-noun-forming suffix.
 * I hope that answers your question. I'm sorry if it's a little longwinded; I'm not that good at explaining things lol. Prahlad balaji (talk) 15:27, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
 * I understand that it is a suffix, but since the English suffix -tion is derived from it, why is it incorrect to say that gyration is not partly derived from *-Hō? — SGconlaw (talk) 15:35, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
 * @Sgconlaw Because is not a root (see above). The correct root is . Prahlad balaji (talk) 15:38, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
 * are you then saying that the problem is that the category name ("English terms derived from the Proto-Indo-European root XYZ") is inaccurate, but that you would have no objection if the category name was something like "English terms derived from the Proto-Indo-European prefix/suffix XYZ"? — SGconlaw (talk) 15:43, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Well, yes. If you still wanted the root category though, you could add . Prahlad balaji (talk) 15:51, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
 * OK, I get what you mean. Thanks. — SGconlaw (talk) 16:02, 22 March 2022 (UTC)