Talk:hespan


 * I suppose you guys might find this interesting, and perhaps help me clean up this very crappy entry and check the etymon. Also, is the putative Swedish espan attested? —Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 03:19, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Wow, now this is a very obscure term. I did find a mention here, but most hits for "hespan" or "hespannen" will be scannos for "g(h)espannen". But "espan" seems more promising. Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk) 07:52, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I can't find anything else in Dutch on Google Books or DBNL. Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk) 08:29, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty sure I see more than that just from (and the stuff in English is clearly translated from Dutch, if the original Dutch could but be found.) —Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 15:48, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
 * All the Dutch hits look like scannos, but there is a publicly available scan of the English book here. Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk) 10:02, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Welp, perhaps I shouldn't have created it. Ought I to send it to RFV? —Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 18:24, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Maybe that's better yeah, but it would also be wise to copy the current entry for your personal archive, as I'm pretty convinced it is a word that used to be in common use. Also this may be something to watch. Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk) 12:19, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

There may be another use in: Johannes Megapolensis, Korte ontwerp van de Mahakuase Indianen, 1644, as the English translation has the word "raccoon". But I have no idea where the Dutch text can be found. Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk) 13:17, 5 October 2016 (UTC)
 * The word is also very common in lists here, but is there enough context for it to count as a use? Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk) 14:18, 5 October 2016 (UTC)
 * In my book, it certainly is! I think we've even counted atlases as attesting placenames before. But I wonder if the main entry should be at instead. —Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 16:56, 5 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Well we technically have a lot more cites for "hespan" now, though they (probably) aren't independent as it's a transcription of an account book, and not enough cites for "espan" on its own. So this looks like the best place for a main entry.
 * In other news, here are two cites for Swedish :
 * 1910, Fredr. Elfving & Georg Schauman (republ.), Pehr Kalms Resa till Norra Amerika, vol. 2, Tidnings- & Tryckeri-aktiebolagets Tryckeri, 136.
 * Der rökte ur des korsten, när Hjortar, Miockar, Espanar och Bäfrar om ljusa dagen hade deras hviloställen på Philadelphiæ torg, gator, Kyrkogårdar och tomter: jag menar, på de ställen, der innom kårt tid prägtiga byggningar skulle upstiga.
 * 1937, Albin Widén, Svenskar som erövrat Amerika, Nordisk Rotogravyr, 151.
 * Hemvid skjuta de föga mer än vad de till uppehällebehöva, och bry sig intet om särdeles förråd utan när det fattas, löper han ut en stund i det allmänna visthuset i skogen och vattnet så har han strax en hjort, en kalkon, en espan, en björn eller annat eller går till nästa vatten och fiskar.
 * There's also this, which looks more like a mention to me.
 * (And then we've found two new obsolete Dutch terms for raccoon to cite, and  or .) Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk) 10:17, 6 October 2016 (UTC)
 * There's another use of Swedish here. That makes three. Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk) 14:15, 19 October 2016 (UTC)