Talk:het hele jaar door

RFD discussion: December 2020–July 2021
Dutch, "throughout the whole year". SOP with a high degree of substitutability. The archetype is "[definite article] hele [noun for a time period] door"; this is also attestable for. Clearly it is undesirably to have this many entries, besides door functions like this in other contexts as well. This needs to be covered by an additional sense of (etymology 1, adverb) for this type of temporal postpositive use. ←₰-→ Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk)  17:56, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. Imetsia (talk) 18:08, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. Also used with terms lasting a period: de hele vakantie door, or denoting an indeterminate time period: de hele tijd door. The definite article is not essential: uren door. And ganse, or even, may be substituted for hele: de godganse dag door. Everything except door is substitutable – or even that bit is: het hele jaar lang . It’s like the Tin Man of Oz. --Lambiam 00:34, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I agree with most of your analysis; but I would note that the use with uren door is het gaat uren door, where I would parse door as part of doorgaan, ergo: "it lasts for hours". Omission of the definite article does not feel wrong to me, but it does seem quirky and I do expect it to be marginal; so finding examples will likely be boring. Here's one example where hele is omitted.
 * By the way I attempted a definition at ; I'd appreciate your feedback . ←₰-→ Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk)  09:27, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
 * — What about “(occurring all the time – constantly, or frequently – during the specified time period}”? can mean both “constantly” and “frequently”, so it captures both “continuously” and “habitually or intermittently” – where the last adverb seems less suitable; it connotes to me the absence of continuity, not frequency or regularity.  --Lambiam 12:00, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
 * All right, ✅. ←₰-→ Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk)  13:09, 30 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Abstain . I personally would like to see these kinds of entries which are useful for learners, but I'll stay out of this one unless I see that others are interested in keeping it. &mdash; Dentonius 06:11, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. Obvious SOP. Not useful for learners as a separate entry; should be replaced with nice usexes at . MuDavid 栘𩿠 (talk) 06:59, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
 * (1) "Obvious SOP". Is the idiomaticity criterion some kind of binding community rule which was voted on or a preference? You'll find that it's really just the latter. (2) Examples are only temporary. The next editor can come along and change them. &mdash; Dentonius 07:26, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
 * (1) In the early days a lot of policy was decided through Beer Parlour discussions rather than votes. Codifying an idiomaticy rule may be difficult because of the exceptions. (2) In practice usage examples often last for years. I sometimes still find problematic examples that were added years ago. I am all right with redirects from het hele jaar door and de hele dag door to the temporal postpositive sense of door, but I don't know how feasible that is. ←₰-→ Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk)  09:27, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
 * It can be done using senseid at the target. --Lambiam 09:57, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Okay, then I propose an alternative solution of turning het hele jaar door into a hard redirct to the relevant meaning of door and adding de hele dag door as another hard redirect. Any takers? ←₰-→  Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk)  13:09, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
 * If it will save het hele jaar door, I agree to this compromise LBD: redirect. &mdash; Dentonius 13:22, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
 * To be honest, I'm not sure that converting it to a hard redirect can be called "saving" an entry. Here's an example of a hard redirect let me show you my etchings. ←₰-→ Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk)  16:01, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
 * . It's acceptable. There won't be a red link and the forward will take you to the definition. &mdash; Dentonius 14:35, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Agree with LBD's good work, and I'm cool with hard redirect (but not really a fan of it)., if there were no idiomaticity criterion, I'd support any move to introduce one. Having entries for everything is pointless and only leads to chaos. Usexes are how non-idiomatic phrases that are "useful for learners" should be presented. MuDavid 栘𩿠 (talk) 03:52, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete — Mnemosientje (t · c) 17:29, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
 * RFD-deleted. Imetsia (talk) 18:22, 25 July 2021 (UTC)