Talk:high-heeled shoe

high-heeled shoe
NISoP, equivalent to high-heeled + shoe. Perhaps WP. DCDuring TALK 01:02, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete . DAVilla 05:15, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Weak delete as it does seem to be the most common collocation. DAVilla 17:06, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep. Its presence is not necessary to understand the phrase when you read it, true. But a dictionary is not used only by readers. I feel that this set phrase is a true element of the vocabulary of the English language, and that learners of the language should learn it. Otherwise, they cannot guess that this is the phrase they must use for this kind of shoes. Lmaltier 05:39, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Could you explain your definition of set phrase - or is it ineffable? DCDuring TALK 13:40, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
 * An element of the vocabulary of the language, despite the fact that it's a phrase, a phrase worth learning in vocabulary lessons. I feel this is the case (and that high-heeled boots, sandals or pumps are not set phrases). Of course, I may be wrong, and it's obvious that you know better than me. But, if it's actually a set phrase, I think we should keep it. Lmaltier 16:50, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Is that your definition of "set phrase" or some frequently concomitant attributes of a set phrase? If an idiom allows for variation, can you call it a set phrase? DCDuring TALK  17:59, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, of course, there may be variations. A recent example on fr.wiktionary is tomber de Charybde en Scylla, that some editors want to delete (they want to keep de Charybde en Scylla). Yet, this is the actual set phrase, even is some other verb is sometimes used instead (or no verb at all). Lmaltier 19:56, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't think it is a useful definition of "set phrase" that simply contradict the ordinary meaning of set:. Why not just call it an "idiom" and say that "high-heeled shoe" is an idiom because it is an idiom. DCDuring TALK 20:37, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
 * By a less casual definition of set phrase "high-heeled shoe" is not a set phrase:
 * It has alternative forms: high-heel shoe, "highheel shoe", "highheeled shoe", "high heeled shoe".
 * It inflects (plural, comparison [higher/est-heeled))
 * It accepts terms in its middle (black, adult, woman's, women's, slingback, satin, white, basketball, court)
 * It accepts variation in each component while retaining the balance of its meaning. (low-, mid-; backed, arched, soled; sneaker, pump)
 * The first two might be acceptable for a reasonable definition of set phrase, but the others? DCDuring TALK 20:57, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete. In g.books, I find also high-heeled boots, sandals and pumps. Even trainers and sneakers, though references to the former are few and to the latter seem mainly (but not solely) jocular. — Pingkudimmi 07:26, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
 * One can also find "low-heeled shoes" and "mid-heeled shoes", etc. DCDuring TALK 17:59, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, delete per nom. &#x200b;—msh210℠ (talk) 20:47, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete. I just don't see how this can be a set phrase or an idiom. ---&gt; Tooironic 23:56, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Weak delete per DAVilla. --Mglovesfun (talk) 11:40, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

deleted -- Liliana • 18:54, 4 October 2011 (UTC)