Talk:hushed culture

RFV discussion: November 2019
DTLHS (talk) 22:19, 4 November 2019 (UTC)


 * cited, but I am not entirely convinced this is anything more than SOP. Kiwima (talk) 23:13, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
 * I've nominated it for deletion. Canonicalization (talk) 16:00, 8 November 2019 (UTC)

RFV-passed Kiwima (talk) 21:13, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

RFD discussion: November 2019–March 2020
SOP. Canonicalization (talk) 15:09, 8 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Is it the culture that is being hushed (like an oppressed or subdued culture), or is it a culture in which some taboo topic is hushed, so that a more appropriate term would have been hushing culture (like an oppressive culture)? In the former case, the definition is not quite right. In the latter case, I don’t think this is a clear SOP. --Lambiam 14:43, 9 November 2019 (UTC)


 * I don't believe I would have correctly guessed what this meant without the definition. I might have thought it was about e.g. censorship rather than taboos. Equinox ◑ 01:02, 10 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep per above, provided verified. Non-obvious from parts. Mihia (talk) 00:08, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete. It looks obvious to me in the context of contemporary social science writing. DCDuring (talk) 23:00, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Should we assume that Wiktionary users are so familiar with contemporary social science writing? Mihia (talk) 00:56, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
 * I myself am not, but I'm sure if you read that in context (and I mean completely in context, without having Wiktionary in mind), you wouldn't bat an eyelid, and wouldn't ever think of checking it in a dictionary.
 * It doesn't even seem to be a state-of-the-art term (there's exactly one Google books hit for "'hushed' culture"). Where the author got his definition, I don't know. It seems to me we're making it sound like more than it is, and that this 'term' is simply not all it's cracked up to be.
 * Also, sorry to indulge in ad hominem, but I advise you to check his other contributions, for example here or here.
 * All of this is making me very queasy. . Canonicalization (talk) 16:12, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
 * The passage from that one GBS hit is as follows:
 * “From an Aboriginal perspective, the library appears to be almost a ‘whitefella sacred site’. When people go inside it is as if they are going into a church. There is a ‘hushed’ culture, where everyone is very quiet. It has a spiritual atmosphere, a place of meditative contemplation. There are a lot of ‘secrets’ which some people know about (the catalogue systems, the ways of placing books, how people take notes), and others from outside have great difficulty understanding and entering this sacred cosmology.”
 * This has virtually nothing to do with the definition of the entry. It just means a cultural convention that is in force in a place where, by that convention, one doesn’t speak with a loud voice. So the situation is that we have not even a single book hit. From the quotations on the page I cannot distill a clear meaning. In the first one, I interpret “hushed culture” much like “oppressed culture’ – a culture that is forced to remain hidden. In the second and third there are taboo topics, but in the last one I think the taboo topic is not “sexual violence” but a “culture of sexual violence”, which is both complicated and hushed, so then this does not fit the definition either. I am not at all convinced that the term is commonly used and understood in certain circles to mean what we are told it means; the uses we see seem to be the result of somewhat accidental juxtapositions of the terms and  in a variety of meanings.  --Lambiam 17:56, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
 * When I say keep "provided verified", I mean keep if it is verified that this is a known phrase with the defined meaning, not merely (per Lambiam) an ad hoc juxtaposition of words that one makes sense of as best one can within a context. Mihia (talk) 00:57, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Well, we can send it back to RFV (and likely get a scolding from User:Kiwima). Canonicalization (talk) 10:01, 4 December 2019 (UTC)


 * I don't scold, do I? The three cites in the entry were chosen because they support the definition. Yes, there is a variety of other meanings as well. That is not definitive one way or the other - lots of idiomatic phrases include other, literal uses. All that aside, I am abstaining from this discussion, as I don't have strong feelings either way. Kiwima (talk) 18:36, 4 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Weak keep per above. It's meaning doesn't seem immediately clear to me. Andrew Sheedy (talk) 02:32, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Changed to delete per more recent edits. Andrew Sheedy (talk) 22:50, 3 December 2019 (UTC)


 * The citation given by Lambiam says ‘hushed’ culture (note the quote marks), suggesting the author feels he/she is coining a phrase rather than using an established one. Equinox ◑ 01:19, 4 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete, no fixed established meaning. --Lambiam 01:05, 16 December 2019 (UTC)


 * RFD-deleted. —Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 23:42, 21 March 2020 (UTC)