Talk:jouser

jouser
Claims to be French slang or regionalism - couldn't find any evidence of it--Keene 21:41, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Quebec French slang, but I had a few references at the time implying it was also regional european French. Random Quotes found in five minutes for one form ("jousait"):
 * "quelqu'un serait c'était quoi la toune qui jousait à l'entrée de Infected Mushrooms à l'université Laval... "
 * Le testeur jousait le cul enfoncé dans son fauteil, il bougeait à peine le poignet
 * [...] alors nous avons recruté un gars qui jousait de la bass.
 * un détective (Brody) essaye de trouver qui est le michant qui a fait la peau à l’acteur qui jousait Superman (Affleck) dans les années 1950.
 * Circeus 23:05, 26 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Ah yes, but these sources aren't considered durably archived, so not valid for RFV (I think). Forums and blogs don't count. --Keene 00:53, 27 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Seems plausible. --Connel MacKenzie 01:15, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
 * It's in at least one paper source I can dig up if you insist. Circeus 00:19, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I have isolated several citations for "overmarked forms" (in wiktionary lingo, alternative forms), especially "jousent" in Canadian French. "Jouser" is reported as a full verb, but I'm not sure it's actually used (or it might have coalesced with jouer) as such, because future forms are not attested: only forms that would result in /u/+vowel or /u/+nothing; /u/+consonant is always regular (past historic and imperfect subjubctive are never found in informal conversation when you'll hear these forms). "Jouser" is listed in at least 3 different Quebec French dictionaries (Léandre Bergeron, La langue québécoise; Lionel Meney Dictionnaire Québécois-Français and Glossaire du parler français au Canada), one of which actually notes the same usage tendencies I observed, so I should probably add the set of forms (present, imperfect, subjunctive) as alternative forms instead of full verb, what do you think? Circeus 21:58, 29 January 2008 (UTC)


 * There ought to be a way in which the various inflected forms provide support for each other in terms of attestation for our purposes. I wouldn't want to have to attest to the existence of superlatives for most polysyllabic English adjectives, but the existence of a comparative makes me feel much more comfortable that the superlative exists even in the absence of specific attestation. It would have to be different for irregular inflections. I thought EncycloPetey was working on this front. DCDuring TALK 22:24, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
 * That's an interesting point about whether certain forms are actually used - I did searches for chiassiez (imperfect subjunctive form of chier, a very popular slang verb) and vous chiassiez (how it would be written in a sentence), but the only hits were for French conjugation websites and dictionaries. Would that mean we should remove "chiassiez" from the conjugation table at chier because it would fail RFV? It doesn't seem right to me. So if these Quebec French dicitonaries say it's a fully-conjugated verb, let's take their word for it and add to it. --Keene 13:52, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I think with enough work I can turn up permanently archived (blogs or paper quotes) attestation for most of the relevant forms (It's not attested for 1st person plural either because this has been replaced with on+3rd singular). That, combined with extra scholarly references should do the trick. Circeus 17:04, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

RFV discussion: December 2017–May 2019
This passed in 2008 without a single citation being added. Per the entry itself, it seems that jousent is a deliberately nonstandard form of jouent (ils/elles jousent) but that it's from the verb jouer not jouser. Google Books does seem to find two dictionaries that have it, but no uses (and they should be putting it under jouer too). Though there does seem to be an English word jouser, possibly too rare to work out the meaning. 2.30.97.89 21:55, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
 * RFV-failed &mdash; surjection &lang;?&rang; 13:58, 29 May 2019 (UTC)