Talk:manipulateur

Really two different etymologies?
Are there really two different etymologies? To me it seems more likely that the sense listed under Etymology 2 is just a different (newer) sense of the first etymology. Fytcha (talk) 16:24, 11 December 2021 (UTC)
 * No, just needs to be listed separately because there's no female equivalent. – Jberkel 20:08, 11 December 2021 (UTC)