Talk:matar

RFD discussion: December 2015–February 2016
Rfd-redundant: “(reflexive) to commit suicide”

Not a distinct sense, just the primary sense (“to kill”) used with a reflexive pronoun (“oneself”). — Ungoliant (falai) 18:16, 13 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Personally, I think it might be appropriate as a subsense. —Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 18:32, 13 December 2015 (UTC)
 * From what I understand, I would delete it as redundant to 'to kill' with specific pronoun 'se'. Renard Migrant (talk) 20:34, 13 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete, not a separate sense, maybe add as one of the examples of sense #1. Siuenti (talk) 20:58, 13 December 2015 (UTC)
 * It's one of those if you just removed it unilaterally I don't think anyone would bat an eyelid. Renard Migrant (talk) 11:03, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
 * You’re right. Too late now. — Ungoliant (falai) 12:10, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Absolutely keep. I don't understand the reasoning. You can say the say of almost all reflexive verbs; it's normal in translating dictionaries to translate the reflexive sense separately, especially when, as here, there is a different common translation. Ƿidsiþ 12:56, 19 December 2015 (UTC)
 * That’s not true at all. If that were true, every Portuguese-English dictionary would suddenly have twice as many senses for transitive verbs. — Ungoliant (falai) 16:03, 19 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Not so really; dictionaries won't list French separately to  because the translation is the same ("to kill") just the direct object is . Not lexically any different to  which simply has a different direct object. Renard Migrant (talk) 17:33, 19 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete Otherwise, why don't we have a reflexive sense at kill? In this case oneself is pretty much analogous to se. See also Talk:kill oneself. Chuck Entz (talk) 18:23, 19 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete --Daniel Carrero (talk) 17:38, 19 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. - -sche (discuss) 22:20, 2 January 2016 (UTC)


 * RFD failed. —Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 08:18, 14 February 2016 (UTC)